This Gospel verse emphasizes that Jesus was an impostor, so stop blaming Jews!

Hi everyone, I hope you are all fine and happy today and everyday, Amen =)​

Sadly that's what I've just found in another biblical verse, ​

One of the reasons which makes the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Christ (the Messiah) is this click (please read it before this thread they are so correlated and interrelated), the other reason is, it is known that the Jews were waiting for the fulfillment of THREE distinct prophecies:​

• The coming of CHRIST.​
• Two the coming of ELIAS​
• The coming of THAT PROPHET. ​

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However, let's dispute thisè3.That prophet​

If you look up a Bible which has a concordance or cross-references or footnotes, you will find in the marginal note where the words "the Prophet", or "that Prophet" occur in John 1:25, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18. ​

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John 1:21 the Prophet: Many of the Jewish people expected God to send them a prophet who would be like Moses, but with even greater power (see Deuteronomy 18.15,18) read this footnote by clicking here​

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2.(New American Standard Bible) click here to read the cross references​

Accordingly, CHRIST, ELIAS and THAT PROPHET are THREE distinctdifferent prophets, agree!​

Have you ever read Deuteronomy 18.15,18? Let's read it together​

15:The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken​

18:I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.​

The Christians as I read in a website say that that prophet is Jesus?? How is that! The Jews were asking John about three different persons! And John didn't say: Oh, by the way, the Christ is that Prophet as well!! So, when I denied being the Christ it goes without saying that I am not that prophet.​

I can't assume that Jesus was the Christ and that prophet at the same time because the Torah says no, he wasn't? Do you know why and how? Because of this verse which I believe it wasn't uttered by Jesus (pbuh)​

[Quote=Matt.12.39-40]… there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.[/Quote]​

I already wrote a thread about this fake prophecy here and how it wasn't fulfilled, however, why does these verses make the Jews don't consider Jesus at least THAT PROPHET if they don't consider him the Christ, because if you will keep reading you read Deut.19:And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which heè (that Prophet) shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.20:But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.21:And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?22: When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.​

Well, accordingly, the prophecy (Matth.12.39-40) wasn't fulfilled! That's why the Jews don't consider him the Christ nor That prophet probably. And that's why probably as another reason which made the Jews asking for putting Jesus to death because Jesus claimed to be a prophet as well but not that prophetè(KJV) Deut.20:But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die - (NIV)must be put too death.​

So, the Christians should not blame the Jews for killing Jesus (they didn't actually) nor for denying that Jesus was the Christ!​

Have a nice, peaceful and faithful day​

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Hey Catdaddy!!
It's good to see that you are still showing the world who is the greatest!

"So, the Christians should not blame the Jews for killing Jesus (they didn't actually) nor for denying that Jesus was the Christ!"

Then who did? or is it something that can be blamed on one group of people or religious indifference?

 

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Hey Love, how are you doing man? =)
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Nobody killed Jesus, the crucified person was someone else (according to the Islamic belief), God saved Jesus and he had ascended him. God heard his pray Matt.26.39​

BTW, who is that greatest? ​

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You man, You are the Greatest!

Do you ever wonder that if all of us were created by the same source that somewhere along the time line, that it is possible that a small group of people chose to provide us with all of these conflicting stories for a reason?
I don't think it serves to make us stronger as a people, actually, I know it doesn't make the spirit of the people in this world stronger...
it is what is tearing us apart.
With all of the book knowledge that you have, does it feel like Allah would have created all of this confusion for us for a 'good' reason?
It appears as tho' we have been intentionally led to be at war with others concerning our belief's.
Isn't that something that shouldn't have been "messed" with?
And if it's not Allah, or God, or Jesus, or Muhammad's fault....
then is it OURS?

Are we supposed to solve or fix the problems that our contradicting belief's have caused?

btw, I'm doing good... can't complain.

 

It looks like somebody is just taking all of your hard work and research that you have done to discover all of these truth's and created a website about it.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm


Have any of you ever seen anything like this before?

 

Oh look, another friend to help write needlessly confusing articles full of twists and assertions and presented in such a way that they are clearly not looking for an answer but really doing whatever its takes to make the answer impossible.

For starters, your entire Premise is wrong again. (See: topic Header).

"...so stop blaming the Jews!"

CatSTevens.. I realise you REFUSE to acknowledge the truth about this and I also realise you INTEND to cause some sort of 'fight' between Christians and Jews but Im going to try again to explain this:

JESUS WAS A JEW.
Almost ALL of Jesus Disciples are JEWS.
Just about EVERYONE who is following, helping, recording IS JEWISH.

If you want to get even further into this - A Non-Jewish Christian Convert is actually accepting Judaism as well.

Of course there were many Jews who did NOT accept Jesus as the Messiah and in this case most of the 'Authority' did not - meaning the Chief Priests and those who held the positions.
MANY Jews DID accept Jesus the Jew as Jewish Messiah.

Im not sure if you 'noticed' but Christianity became very popular after a few years?
Maybe you heard about it?

So once again, this troublemaking comment of yours is Illogical and does not even make sense.
This is like saying "Palestinians.. stop blaming Arabs!?' or 'Sunnis.. stop Blaming Muslims!"
Does that make sense?
No.

The next problem you keep deliberately trying to make is the senseless use of the word 'Blaming'.
Who is blaming anyone?
Nobody is 'blaming' and none of the Jews who accept Jesus as Messiah are 'Blaming' Jews who dont for it.

Again. you are deliberately dropping in Inflammatory assertion for no other purpose than to cause a controversy or confusion that does not really exist and is not even logical anyways.

Once again, you have taken a simple question and critisism and deliberately turned it into a needlessly complicated series of arrows, suppositions, assertions, interjections, peripherial issues and font colour..
So that its nearly causing a headache and eyestrain just to decontruct your post and remember what was the original question in the first place?

Incidently, you WERE shown exactly why Jonahs sign can work perfectly and with no need to make any sort of unusual explanation outside what is given.
I realise you will just keep saying its a 'fake prophecy' because you really have no intention of accepting ANY explanation as valid.

I mean, if you are going to have the balls to post these things and were intellectually honest then where is your response to the explanations you receive?
None.
You just ignore them and move on 'as if nothing happened' but continue making disproved comments like 'Jonah was fake prophecy' without answering for it.

 

Just to Clarify.

You have posted another 'Contradiction' and reworded it with lots of rhetoric and cutesy pre-replies.

Here is what you are actually meaning to ask:

Jews knew that Elijah would come before the Messiah.
They believed that he would return in the literal, physical sense.
Many would not accept that this prophecy refered to one that would come in the spirit of Elijah.
They expected a 'Physical Reincarnation' or that his body would personally come down from the Heavens.

Jesus did of course have a Prophet (more than a mere Prophet) who appeared before him to usher him in and his name was John the Baptist.

For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.


11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So far, so good. We all realise that many of the Jews were unhappy that John was coming to bring Spiritual fire and redemption (instead of defeating the Romans and physical triumphs).
We realise many of the Jews accepted John as a Spiritual Prophet.
Ok.
So far everything is fine other than the Jews who were unhappy for their interpretation.
Ok.

Now what you want to point out is what you think is a glaring contradiction that those who tampered with and rewrote somehow forgot to erase or rewrite the situation where these Critical Jews come to John and confront him about this:

They asked, "Are you Elijah?", to which he said, "I am not."

THANK YOU CATSTEVENS for accidently giving us all the information needed to explain this in your very premise itself!

As YOU pointed out, the Critics were convinced that Elijah was to make a 'physical and personal return' while Jesus and his Jewish followers understood the Prophecy to be a Spiritual Truth.

So when they ask him "Are you Elijah?" (the actual person and/or personal reincarnation) he CORRECTLY answers:
No.
Because he is John who has come in the Spirit of Elijah.
In other words, John is agreeing with Jesus view on the Prophecy as a Spiritual fulfilment.

[This is true for Jesus too as he was refered to in prophesies as 'David' but he is not David and if asked if he was David by people believing he was to be the physical, real, reincarnated David - He would say no.]

Again, Its clear that John not only answers correctly but he does in fact CLARIFY that the 'Physical Reincarnation' interpretation is the wrong one.

I realise you will just walk right past this Catstevens but it would be nice if you were to comment on this response?

Oh btw.. I see someone has made a website covering all the untruths you have discovered.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/

Fair warning - that website will pretty much dismantle all the crafty clever and cute 'discoveries' on the ones you are getting your ideas from.

 

am I the only one anxious for Catdaddy's return ?

 

No, I am too!

 

Love_N_it
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! I am not doing that! And I am not the Greatest of course!

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Dear, people caused that not Allah, people lied, people corrupted Allah's word, people are Jealous and envious, and don't forget the Satan, isn't Allah who created the confusion , and some religious people from different religions claiming that Allah commanded them to do or to say such and such ,yet Allah didn't, some misunderstood God, yet they don't give the others the chance to clarify etc read post 27
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Dear 'Love' we discussed this issue once so much if you remember, read posts
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15, 17, 18 , 105 and 107 è my comment on the before the last quotation.
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Quraan: this is because of that (evil) which your hands have sent before. And certainly Allah is never unjust to (his) slaves.
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Quraan: that is because of that which your hands had forwarded. And verily, Allah is not unjust to his slaves.
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1 Corinthians 14.33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace
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BTW: I know your name, I didn't forget it, but I call you 'Love" here in public because you told me your name in the PM, so perhaps you don't want me to use it in public …
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Yes, we should (BTW: I think this is out of the topic)
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*Quraan:
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Say (O Muhammad): O people of the scripture (Jews and Christians)! Come to a an equitable proposition between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (alone), and that we associate no partners with Him…then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are Muslims.
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And argue not with the people of the scripture, unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner)
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There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path…
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And say: the truth is from your Lord, then whosever wills, let him believe, and whosever wills, let him disbelieve…
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And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.
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But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and put your trust in Allah
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Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equal.
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The prophet Mohammad (PBUH) even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {the first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed (This means killing and injuring.)}
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The Prophet was asked, "Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?" He said: {there is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}
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Etc etc etc
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This thread and this thread and many of my responses in this thread and other threads I discovered it as you like to call it, I noticed some facts with my own efforts, but some other threads like this and this and others I wrote that I copied it from a website, or I write the writer name, sometimes I put the link as the source or I write Quote or use '' '', etc, and some times I read about an issue or belief in Christianity from their sources and then I read the Islamic comments or views regarding that issue , and then I compare between them and take the best, many times I add new things to it and delete other things which I disagree with it, sometimes I read the full article but then I summarized it or write it with my own wording and phrasing, etc, the best issues I choose it and share it here in the forum which are worth reading in my view. BTW I love reading so much especially about the religious issues =)
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The link is super GOOD, thank you very much, it deserves to be added in my favorite list =)
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Erasmus70
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The answer won't be impossible if there is an answer and if that articles or topics includes misunderstanding and fake or wrong facts and things in it!
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HEY! Let me tell you something dear! In one of my threads I gave a gospel verse and I interpreted it and the result was, that Jesus isn't God, but one of the Christians member his name is Jatom gave me another interpretation which is can be logic and right that Jesus is God, but I told him that I can't accept his interpretation till he will prove to me that Jesus is God from the Bible and he couldn't prove that to me, so I can't say that his interpretation is right, BTW the both of mine and his were logic and could be acceptable! So if you will do the same then why not! Your interpretation isn't logic at all at least to me?
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OMG! It is stupid to cause a fight! I didn't mean that! Post 4
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You can understand the word blame in other way.
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When a Christian tell a Jew that he is away from God's path, he doesn't have the right to do so, the Jews people are so sane to reject the current Gospels, so if they are away from your path don't blame them to be away from that attributed path to God!, because they have a super excuse to don't accept it., example:
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M: dear, why you don't believe in Jesus as your lord
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D: because there is no verse which emphasizes that he was so, he was a prophet Mum, M: no he was God my dear also the Holy Spirit, D: I can't find such a verse which says that the Holy Spirit the angel is God as well, so don't blame me for don't accepting Jesus as my lord, I have my excuse, so if you think that I am away from God's path which you believe in, don't blame me to be away from that attributed path to God!, because I have my excuse and proof to don't accept it. So I am not responsible for being away from that, the bible is when it doesn't give us a clear proof.
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(Bob and Jonathan are friends)
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At 3 am somebody was trying to open the window of the living room, Bob was afraid, he got his gun, when the stranger succeeded at last to open the window he was wearing a horror mask, Bob shot him, the stranger was his friend Jonathan! Jonathan: I came from a masquerade, I didn't want to bother you while you were sleeping by knocking the door, Bob: Oh, please don't blame, I thought that you were a thief or a criminal.
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Accordingly, this verse emphasizes that Jesus was a imposter and God commanded the Jews to kill those who claim prophet hood!
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The prophecy (Matth.12.39-40) wasn't fulfilled! That's why the Jews don't consider him the Christ nor That prophet probably. And that's why probably as another reason which made the Jews asking for putting Jesus to death because Jesus claimed to be a prophet as well but not that prophetè(KJV) Deut.20:But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die - (NIV)must be put too death.
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If you are the one who don't blame the Jews then there are who are doing that, and if you don't know them it doesn't mean that they aren't around, I am talking to those who blame the Jews, I won't comment on this more, I clarified it enough.
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If my views and articles or threads are illogical and doesn't make any sense, then why you are that much angry! If they are really illogical and doesn't make any sense as you are saying then it won't cause any controversy or confusion because they are all fake and nonsense information!!!!!
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Do you believe this; I know a Muslim family who let their children to watch the Christian channels and reading the bible which disagree with the Islamic teachings without supervision!!! Do you know why? Because they know that these things doesn't make any sense! Won't change their children belief, because the truth and the verses are so clear, yet the Christians like you are making simple twists! By interpreting some verses in another way to reconcile it with Paul's teachings and belief, yet the verses is so clear like the sun. I saw in a Christian channel once a programme which claiming to clarify the misunderstanding, they were disputing about why the Jews consider the pig as unlawful meat, yet the Christians eat it, did the Jews misunderstood the verseè the host was asking the priest, the priest give an answer which made me laughing and laughing it wasn't logic at all, and I think that the host perhaps wasn't convinced too =)
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You have to wait, I am a busy person, I am not free all the time!!! I gave responses to what you wrote go and check it.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Elijah is irrelevant to my main topic, Come On! You are unbelievable!
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What are you talking about; I am not talking about Elijah here! If you will keep taking off the topic then I will ignore your posts. And what do you mean by this? Do you mean that John the Baptist was Elijah? If so then, (and I could be wrong and I will give my view regarding this matter so that you won't say è I mean, if you are going to have the balls to post these things and were intellectually honest then where is your response to the explanations you receive? None. You just ignore them and move on 'as if nothing happened' but continue making disproved comments like 'Jonah was fake prophecy' without answering for it. And I even don't want to read your comment on my following view regarding this here because it is out of the topic) here we go,
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''The Jews were expecting the fulfillment of 3 prophecies [John 1:19-25]. When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews, the Jews began to enquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:''
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".......ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, ELIJAH HAS ALREADY COME, AND THEY KNEW (RECOGNIZE) HIM NOT, BUT HAVE DONE TO HIM EVERYTHING THEY WISHED (Matthew 17:11-13 (KJV+NIV))
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Before I comment on the above verse, it is notable that the bible in some of its contents includes intact verses with only one or two words which were corrupted or deleted or changed to other words which caused to give a different conception totally of that verses, example:
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(KJV John 20:28)And Thomas answered and said unto himè (Jesus), My LORD and my God (Contemporary English Version) Thomas replied, "You are my Lord and my God!" click here to read this verse from (CEV)
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Let's read this verse from other versions
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A- (The Message) Thomas said, "My Master! My God!" click
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B- (New Living Translation) "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed. Click
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Do you get what I mean? You understood from John 20.28 (KJV) that Jesus was called God so he is God, but I understand from (NLT) the following: Oxford dictionaryè Exclaim v. cry out suddenly, it is like when I see or hear about something which is stupendous or when I surprise and I didn't expect something I exclaim: My God! Or O My God! Read John 20.25:èBut he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side,I will not believe.
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These two versions didn't add ''Thomas said to''/ or ''said unto Jesus''!! When different (reliable) versions give us a different concept for a particular same verse then the Bible has been corrupted. If there are two conflicting different verses (which each one give us different conception), then only one can be true. Accordingly, here how I understand this:
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".......ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, ELIJAH HAS ALREADY COME, AND THEY KNEW (RECOGNIZE) HIM NOT, BUT HAVE DONE TO HIM EVERYTHING THEY WISHED, Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. (Matthew 17:11-13 (KJV+NIV))
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I think that the word knew (recognize) are corrupted and the true word was '' denied him'' or " knew him'' not ''knew him not'' or the like probably, I think that Elijah came before Jesus' coming but the Jews didn't believe in him, exactly, like Jesus, I mean that he wasn't John the Baptist he was some one else who came before Jesus but the Jews probably denied it exactly as they denied it Jesus who came with marvelous clear miracles which emphasize that he was the messenger of God, the Jews after Jesus' coming were still waiting Elijah's coming, yet he already came, like today the Jews still waiting for the Messiah , yet he already came!è (Matt.23.37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee…+ Matt.23.34) Quraan: (verily, I took the covenant of Children of Israel and sent Messengers to them. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not- a group of them they called liars and others among them they killed)
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1. (Young's Literal Translation) …I say to you -- Elijah … theyè (Jews) … did with him whatever they would, so also the Son of Man is about to suffer by them.' è it seems that they (Jews) denied and hurt Elijah while they knew that he was the true Elijah, and this is gonna happen to Jesus too as he himself said: …, so also the Son of Man is about to suffer by them (by denying him and hurting him just like Elijah while they knew that Jesus was the true Messiah because he had miracles which prove his claim and other signs which God had supported him with) so Jesus will suffer as they did to Elijah and he will be denied Just like Elijah.
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So also the Son of Man is going to be treated and suffer at their hands.
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But the people … treated him just as they wanted to. They will soon make the Son of Man suffer in the same way."
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Jesus replied, "Elijah … was badly mistreated. And soon the Son of Man will also suffer at their hands." è by stoning him, by saying that he is the prince of the devils etc (Matt.9.34+ John10.33)
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Jesus answered, "Elijah …They treated him like dirt, the same way they are about to treat the Son of Man."
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So also the Son of Man will be troubled by them.'
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Yours Sincerely,
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So, again:
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''The Jews were expecting the fulfillment of 3 prophecies [John 1:19-25]. When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews, the Jews began to enquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:''
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".......ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, ELIJAH HAS ALREADY COME, AND THEY KNEW (RECOGNIZE) HIM NOT, he was badly mistreated. So also the Son of Man will be troubled by them.' (Matthew 17:11-13 (KJV+NIV+ NLT+ WE))
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''According to the New Testament the Jews were not the ones to swallow the words of any would-be Messiah. In their investigations they underwent intense difficulties in order to find their true Messiah. And this the Gospel of John confirms: "AND THIS IS THE RECORD OF JOHN,"(the Baptist) "WHEN THE JEWS SENT PRIESTS AND LEVITES FROM JERUSALEM TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? AND HE CONFESSED AND DENIED NOT; BUT CONFESSED, I AM NOT THE CHRIST." (This was only natural because there can't be two Messiahs at the same time. If Jesus was the Christ then John couldn't be the Christ! The Jews were expecting a single Messiah not two.) "AND THEY ASKED HIM, WHAT THEN? ART THOU ELIAS? AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT." (Jesus says that John is "Elias" and John denies that he is what Jesus ascribes him to be. Who is not speaking the TRUTH! Or I misunderstood the verses, or that was attributed untruthfully to Jesus!)
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Please note that three different and distinct questions were posed to John the Baptist and to which he gave three emphatic "NO'S" as answers. The Jews definitely had 3 separate distinct prophecies in their minds when they were interrogating John the Baptist, let us read the remonstrance of the Jews in the verses following:
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"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
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Come on! Why he didn't say that, actually he already answered, so I won't take your 'made up' answer! [John1.22-23] finally they said: who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself? John said, "I am the voice of one crying in the desert.'Make the road straight for the Lord,' he didn't say: I am John who has come in the Spirit of Elijah!!! Oh, come on! Some Christians with their interpretation are making God the God of confusion the God of unclear speech who is talking always with puzzles to simple minded people!!
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Stop taking off the topic and explaining my words and intentions according to your own wrong view. If this is your style in disputing then dispute with people who have the same style!!!
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Erasmus you are unbelievable!!! , who is doing this ugly twists now! I am not talking about Elijah in this thread I am talking about ''that prophet'' in this thread!!!!!!!!!!!! Why are taking of the topic!!!

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And by the way your interpretation even a kid won't swallow it! You learned to interpret the biblical verse in that way otherwise it will disagree with Paul's belief!! If you think that my interpretation isn't logical, fine, that's up to you, but I believe it is a super logic and others do so, and I believe that yours isn't logical at all, I have my view as you have yours too, but you don't have the right to make anyone to take yours if you are trying to do so! Or saying that others interpretation is wrong but yours is right especially when it is illogic in others view honestly and frankly!! ​

Yours Sincerely,​

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Love_N_it Erasmus70
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I am a busy person, I am not free all the time! Especially when the posts are long then I delay it to don't read I in a hurry to avoid misunderstandings Click​

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Catdaddy, you know we are friends, but what you are doing here is, in my opinion a waste of your precious time. The amount of content and time you spend quoting scripture does not help you PROVE your side of the equasion.
The foundation of your religion is the Quran, which we have also discussed quite a bit in the past.
When someone choses to quote word for word 'scripture' and use such a massive amount of information to express yourself... using specific words that were provided to us through an illiterate man,
it does not make you look "smart".

If you would, or if you could somehow express in your own words HOW does this help either one of us... it would probably go a long way with the few people who are actively participating in your threads. It's not like you can continue to demand people's attention with these tremendous sized post based on the Quran,
when you are trying to take other people's choice in religion apart, piece by piece.
The words and links to information that you so efficiently provide do not have the ability to 'settle' our differences, and what you are interested in debating rarely deals with religious issues that will make all of us stronger " together ".
Everything you present is to make you feel better about what you have been taught to believe. I know you are smart enough to understand that the rest of the world cannot be as fortunate as you have been,
but it does not make you "right" or a better person when you are only trying to PROVE everybody else wrong... including Jesus Christ,
or the imposter as you like to call Him.

Either you are going to reach a point where you determine it is OUR fault, or it is ALLAH's fault.
I agree that man created this 'religious' problem, and apparently the foundation of this worldwide blood pouring descrepancy is not interested in waving His hand in our lives anymore. Allah, in all of his greatness should have been intelligent enough to realize that once you expose your 'superpowers' to a world in such a powerfull and obvious way, that you can't disappear for 2000 + years to test us or 'teach us a lesson' in His absence.
This does nothing but create a slave mentality for all of us, something I do not accept.
It's like, we have all been made are aware that an entity with supreme ultimate and total control of each and every aspect of our life is either 'taunting' us, or does not exist. If His existence is so tremendous, His absence has become "atomic".
You believe that this Spirit exist only to serve you and yours, when I believe we are all brothers and sisters and that nobody deserves 'special' treatment because of what they were taught to believe.
The truth is still as out of our reach as the moment of time it would take for Allah to solve all of our 'religious' issue's. Think about how much would change with ONE word, or ONE undenyable miracle... today!
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it's man who has caused these problems, then it will be man who must fix them. And if Allah will have nothing else to do with us, then why should we allow His 'potential' existence to drive us farther apart,
instead of closer together spiritually?
If Allah assumes no responsibility for what happens to ALL of us next, then it's time that the tremendous obstacle of Allah's "lesson",
get's out of our way.

This may be off topic, only because you are not looking for anything that will help "US", just you and yours.
The only solution that Allah or the Quran conviently offers is complete and total submission to "Allah",
anything with the ability to create our lives, would not have a desire for His existence to be 'forced' into our lives....
especially when He allows so much controversy to exist.
Were we not 'separated' by Allah at one time ?

How, or why are we supposed to believe that we should "come together" over Allah ?

The Muslim motto is " it's MY way or the highway " ,
which is why we are ALL lost by the way.

Overall you are not now, nor were you ever interested in finding what you could share with others that will benefit us all. If you are not interested in finding what WE need to create a better world for all of us, then your greatest desires will never be satisfied either.

So I'll ask you again, if the Quran was something that the world could all hear and appreciate as a SONG, instead of 'step by step' directions that everybody will never chose to follow,
wouldn't it be much more powerfull and go much farther towards bringing us together ?
Instead of just saying to people travelling in all different directions " you must go MY way ".

Have you ever heard the saying "You'll catch more bees with honey than vinegar" ?

Yes you are.

Say (O Muhammad): O people of the scripture (Jews and Christians)! Come to a anequitable proposition between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (alone), and that we associate no partners with Him…then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are Muslims.
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Erasmus !

You were discussing something with my FRIEND.

Where did YOU go?

Do you know what your talking about or not? , isn't this something that's worth settling no matter how long it takes..
if WE just work on it together.

ugh!!

don't ignore my friend!

 

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My Dear friend 'Love', if you want to keep discussing this please PM me because your responses are irrelevant to the main topic. And please read my entire responses before giving any responses to avoid repeated issues and repeating.​

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Dear friend, I said previously all my time is for Allah, it is like I vowed or dedicated my life to be his ambassador, my motto is: my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah, the Lord, yet I still afraid to call myself the ambassador of Allah, my fingers were shaking a little bit when I wrote that 'ambassador', because I know I don't deserve it or I am not worthy of this mission and may Allah forgive me but it is my wish to be so.​

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Dear 'Love', I know Allah very well, I want the others to know him as well, to know the truth about him, if somebody wrote a bad hearsay about you or your precious friend you will defend him and struggle to show the others the truth, why shouldn't I do the same thing regarding my love 'Allah'! I feel Allah strongly, I know he is here with me , taking care of me, planning for my life, inspiring me so much, thank you dear Allah for this, thank you very much, I am not wasting my time dear brother, and it is helping to make a change ''I know and I made it to some''è I am not guessing, but it happened, I received messages, dear I can't stop thinking of Allah, everything around me belongs to him because it is his creation, myself one of these things, at least my posts the lately ones are especially to those Muslims, Christians and Jews, the issue of God is important to us, we believe in his existence, each one is claiming that the truth is with him! So we should dispute, and discuss these things! What does our Lord really want! Does he want that which the Christians are talking about or the Muslims or the Jews? Dear love, Jesus was hurt badly to convey the message, so I shouldn't let his efforts and struggles to be fruitless simply! I should continue his method and efforts, What if he came in his second coming and asked me, what you did for me my disciple in my absence? (As I am claiming to call myself ''Jesus' futuristic disciple'') what shall I answer!!!! I prefer to die instead of saying nothing! He was tired and hurt enough in the past, I should make it less if I am really want to be his disciple, I don't want him to call me' O ye of little faith ' this is gonna break my heart and I will hate myself , we can become one and living together in peace by knowing the truth and following it, instead of fighting and mocking or whatsoever. Quraan:Allah calls to the home of peace…​

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Yours Sincerely,​

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O Allah! I am not here to show the others that I am the greatest or to express myself who I am, or to make myself looking smart!!!
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I know what I am doing, and I am so happy with that, whoever wants to read my threads he is more than welcome. I am still breathing so I will keep walking in this path.
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I am discussing and disputing, I am not forcing anyone! They have the freedom to comment and give their opinions and views as well etc.
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I have the utter right to discuss biblical issues, if someone writes something wrong about Muhammad (pbuh) for example, then I have the right to defend him and to show the truth if there was a misunderstanding from the writer, it is the same with bible, as a Muslim I believe in God (the father), Jesus, the holy Spirit, Moses, David, Solomon, Mary, Isaac etc, Jesus is my prophet too! Jehovah is my God too, Jesus is one of the most closest prophets to me to my heart, I decided to be Jesus' disciple in the future (after his return) I think if I am really want to be so then I should at least make the others who loves him as well (Christians) to know the true Jesus as I claim(as you might consider me a claimer)!, well, I spent (and still so) days and nights in reading the bible, and I have these bunch of Christians booklets and TV channels, lectures, websites etc yet I didn't find anything till today which points that Jesus was God or the son of God literally! Or something that confirms the Christians' conception of God ,Jesus and the crucifixion etc!
Christians think that they are right; Muslims think that they are right also the Jews do so, who claims such thing should give a proof, again, Jesus is my prophet too! Jehovah is my God too, I should defend them, shouldn't I because Jesus has never claimed to be God and he'll never will do so; I won't let all his efforts which he made to be useless! And I mean by defend them (by showing the reality of them and their message as I claim!)
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Dear if I am debating religious issues there are others who are debating other issues that will make all of us stronger " together ", each one is welcome in my threads especially the Jews and the Christians, because we believe in God's existence and he is the same God of these three heavenly holy books, believing in God isn't a simple thing, i.e. after this life there is an eternal life (eternal Hell) or (eternal Paradise) as we M,C and J believe, so this is really so important and significant issue, we should think about it and dispute it till we reach the sure truth, if we are following our parents' religion blindly! I am thinking about my eternal future there after this life, this life is short and it will end one day.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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