The Zeitgeist movement...

Hey guys

Just thought I'd spread the word about an interesting movement that is really gathering speed.
It's called the Zeitgeist movement and is about abandoning the monetary system in favour of a resource based society to avoid the corruptions that we see in the world today.
To find more information, watch this film:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
Or go to:
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Tell me what you think.

"Revolutions are brought about by people, by people who think as people of action and act as people of thought." - Kwame Nkrumah

Peace out xx

 

There are a few threads on this already on these forums.

I think it's interesting. After first watching it, I was sold completely. After having some of its (And its creators') flaws pointed out to me, I'm slightly more standoffish.

I think the intentions are really good, and both movies can help raise awareness. Keep spreading the word, lady, but more importantly, try to raise awareness through your own influence on people, don't just point them in the direction of a movie because most won't bother.

 

Thanks Jimmy, I'll do that

I agree with you in that the movement is very flawed in certain areas. Like, I'm not fond of it's view on religion. I'm not religious myself, but I think people should be able to practise whatever faith they want, if they want to, rather than just saying religion won't be necessary.
Also, they seem to be going further away from nature with all the technology involved in the plan for their 'new world' when I think humanity needs to go back to it's natural roots and get back in touch with the world rather than the other way around!
I just think most of the ideals behind the movement are fantastic and the movie is quite a good way of spreading the word! But I will start trying to reach people through my own actions. This world is in dire need of a change, and maybe the Zeitgeist movement isn't quite it, but it's a good starting point!

 

A lot of what is promoted in that video is actually pro-NWO. A few researches have done a decent job exposing it for what it is.

 

Sounds interesting i only read the intro on the website, ill read more when im out of work....

I dont however think this will end corruption. I think greed and power to control has become a part of our being, a part of our "dna". Sad

 

It hasn't "become" part of our DNA. It has been there since before the dawn of man. It is the intelligence unique to our species that allows our self-preservation instinct to transform into greed and corruption. Chances are if you were alive before civilization you would have spent pretty much all of your time working towards your own survival. Often this means conflict of interest between human beings - but at the time it was conflict out of necessity. As stated in the video, scarcity existed naturally then, and in order to survive yourself you might have to prevent someone else from doing the same.

When someone is no longer subject to scarcity however, by whatever means they may have achieved this, the survival instinct becomes mostly obsolete - but it goes nowhere. The mind is still pushing the body to constant action in order to benefit the self. And when you've already managed to push yourself ahead of the masses of society, to have more and be much better off, the tendency is to examine the limits. How far can you go? And why should anything - ANYTHING - stop you from reaching the limit? And if there is no limit then why stop at all?

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I enjoyed this video quite a bit, and have a LOT of respect for the ideas contained within - nonetheless I am not thoroughly convinced that this is a workable solution. At least as presented in the video, the solution is vague - we are shown an end with all of its glorious benefits - slave/wage labor eliminated, problems dealt with through real solutions rather than laws that carry no force or answer to those problems, a surplus of resources capable of sustaining the entire population of earth and then some, the end to war and conflict & the complete integration and harmonization of all people. . . but the means to achieving this end are only explained in the negative. The call to action simply suggests bringing an end to the current system. What I want to know is how in the hell are you going to establish this paradise in the wake of the old capitalist society? The video seems to suggest that without the old system, the incentives that perpetuate it in the first place will dissolve and the idealized society will naturally rise in its place.

Frogwash I say. Theres gotta be a better plan than that.

 

I feel like i need to clarify this. When I mention being freed from scarcity here, I'm talking about anyone who has managed to raise his own position and means far enough that survival is no longer a constant worry demanding the vast majority of your labor and consideration - that is, when civilization was born and humans divided into classes. I was NOT referring to the future society referred to in the video in which scarcity would no longer exist - although the fact that my meaning could be confused on this subject is something to think about.




That is. . . if what I said about the way people behave with and without conditions of scarcity is true (maybe it is, maybe it isn't?) then what are the implications for this future society?

 

I would be interested in knowing who these researchers are and taking a gander at their work. Trying to keep an open mind and all.

 

Why do threads always seem to die when I post in them?

 

don't worry it's not dead, just resting

 

Hah. You just rez'd it.

 

arf arf .... well i've seen Zeitgeist but not the Addendum (is it called?) and i've only heard some of the arguments against it... as i remember, i was left with the feeling that whatever the ins and outs of it all, the symbology of the jesus stories etc align really too close to astrology for it to be a coincidence... and thought i'd just like to say that one aspect of it just for now...

 

I'm sorry, but Zeitgeist, for the most part, is a crock of shit. Especially the part about the income tax and most definitely the bit about how the Federal Reserve works.

The main message is that people will believe whatever they see on television, but the movie confirms it completely by the way people go off regurgitating what they heard from the movie as if it's absolute truth.

All those movies; Zeitgeist, The Esoteric Agenda, Kymatica are really just one side of the coin that is mainstream media(read: "propoganda") and the other side consists of FOX News/CNN/MSNBC who movies like Zeitgeist would seek to discredit.

 

is that your opinion? or can you post some links to info or suggest reading material so that i can understand why you'd say that, as opposed to what zeitgeist says about the way the income tax and the federal reserve work... i haven't found anything to contradict what the movie says about the way these systems work to date... :cheers2:

 

I'm In

 

Try and focus more on The Venus Project. The Zeitgeist videos are very inspiring however they are mostly a publicity stunt. If you're interested in how things could work focus more on the designs of Jaque Fresco. People always see this and shout "new world order! they're gonna control us with machines!" but if you look into how such a city would be run it actually empowers the people as they no longer have jobs that can be taken away - all the world's resources are common heritage to all people.

As automation takes over, it would seem like this is the next step. More and more people will lose their jobs and be replaced with a machine, and unfortunately we will try and squeeze more and more out the free market system until there are just no human controlled tasks necessary and there are no more dead dinosaurs left to burn.

 

I'm a follower.
The first zeitgeist movie is crap. It's not really worth watching and it's sad that people make conclusion on the whole zeitgeist movement based on it without watching Addendum. Addendum is the main dish.

Shredda King said the Federal Reserve is BS. you're wrong about that. I have a copy of Modern Money Mechanics in my room right now. It tells how it is implicated in with the Federal Reserve, and all the statistics and percentiles the movie mentions. I don't know so much about the income tax, but that does create awareness to what the IRS is doing in our country. a lot of agents just make up crap and the people just go along. and thats the whole meaning of the first Zeitgeist movie.

For the people that say it's New World Order, you're psychotic and don't even take the time to learn your crap. The resource-based economy and the ideas brought about by Jacque Fresco is seriously just an evolution of our human race, and it'll come whether we advocate it or not. The reason WHY these people are advocating it is because we want people to acknowledge that there isn't one way to do economy. and that dark times will come, and we know why and how to solve it. It's a complete grass-roots thing and if there were to be any political, military, or authority action based on the movement, it is not for the movement. There isn't an authority for a "new world order" to rule. Well technically machines are the authority, but seriously they have a much better judgement over facts without secret or alternative agendas.
So many people don't understand. They'll start to when what Yuji said will happen. Ever-growing population will try to squeeze out jobs and workloads and the people on top of the system will keep everyone else out on the streets poor and dead. And they're like that cuz they keep gripping on to this free-market, money, and democracy idealogy. Not that people won't have a say in what things will happen in a resource based economy but democracy can and will be made obsolete. It slowly has for a long time now. Simple knowledge makes 'freedom' insignificant; people don't vote for what medicine a person should take because the best medicine in attainable knowledge should be used. No need for a vote if the best decision is right there.


The parts I do not agree with the Zeitgeist Movement are religion and drugs. Religion is pretty insignificant to what the resource-based operations do so it's pretty insignificant. It was used in the first movie for the motion of thinking outside the box and outside the institutions you support.
When the Zeitgeist Movement advocates receive a question about drugs, they basically deflect it by saying that people will be so content with their lives that they won't need drugs. This surprised me immensely when I heard their answer after watching Addendum. This is just lack of knowledge or care. That or drugs are irrelevant to the system which is true, but telling people "people'll be so happy that they won't use drugs" leads people more towards the New World Order thinking and quite frankly is just stupid.

 

Watch "where are we going?" with Peter Joseph. That is the video they should have used. I'll have to find the URL some other time.

 

I feel the Venus project while well intentioned, it is grandiose and unnecessary in it's scope toward large planned cities.
The fewer impervious surfaces the better. The least disturbance the better. Build self contained mass produced modular housing units made of synthetic materials, with composting toilets and self contained renewable energy systems. As for monolithic agriculture, go to hydroponic subterranean production. Above ground harvest of indigenous naturally producing foodstuffs. We do not need large scale concentrated population centers.

Another problem I see with Venus is the bio-assay. While we may catalog resources, that does not give us "carrying capacity" of the earth or region without the metric of how much space-resource is needed for the individual.
further there are more than just human users of this planets resources.

Venus's emphasis on central planning is antithetical to emergent progress.
The premise that mans difficulties are technical and not political I wholly agree with. However Venus's approach smacks of organizational politics.

 

This sounds good to me. It seems like a good way to weed out corruption through money.