The Whiner Challenge

if you guys and gals can do something besides whining like ending the war in iraq, i promise you that i'll talk to skip and am convinced he will give you your forum of "young hippies" back if you end the war... to be a hippie means to end a war like we did when we ended the vietnam war so get off your asses and stop whining and end the war

 

oh please. By the time the nam war was over the hippies had either moved on , because you know, ya needed money, or were strung out in the gutters of frisco. And I dig the title of the whiners.

 

yeah i could care less what we are called.
i voted for 'cardboard box'

 

While I think that the hippies had a great deal to do with Nam ending, I don't think it is something they can take complete credit for. They deffinately made it unpopular and raised awareness, but the war went on long after most people quit supporting it (like Iraq!). The war stopped when politicians quit being so neurotic. By the time it ended, the hippies were winding down and everyone was starting to go punk and metal...

 

I'm gonna end the war by masturbating through it!

 

Because you have to learn to love yourself before showing love to others.

 

go fuck yourself

 

The only reason hippies managed to end the Vietnam war was of because of the increasing amount of exposure received from the media. The government has learned it's lesson this time around, and that's why we have the Patriot Act.

 

Also, I'd say the "original hippies" did a pretty good job of raising (or lack thereof) a generation of apathetic slackers.

 

Oddly enough, I think Pavel was being a bit sincere.

Rather than being indifferent or lacking interest, I feel the apathy that people witness these days is often misunderstood because of the situation being a bit of a independent variable, there. Ours, as a generation, is more of a learned helplessness since not everyone is willing to listen and can be a bit colder than we are, as a whole. (This often includes a majority of a couple generations before us who wishes to rather point and gawk over our age and our jokes rather than open their damn eyes and ears to listen or see any points of view...hmm... sound familiar?)

Then there are some just echoing what our parents s(aid)(ay) who don't always really know...

Then there are some who I don't agree with that are just a bunch of lazy fucks that I hope to never have to work with in the future, but you still have to love em... because, well, they're your brothers and sisters.

Generally, I'm pretty disgruntled when it comes to my generation, so far... and not just my generation, but the generation of the 50s, and 80s to the present day. There's more than one kind of apathy and psychologically, it doesn't relate to laziness, though I suppose it would correlate in general; but political apathy has been going on for a good twenty years straight, so far as I'm concerned. [Meaning that we're in a state of pseudoconcerns contingent apon the evening news, but we're not always being lazy. It takes time for the pressure to build up and this year and the time following up to indecision '08 has been showing alot of little signs, at least to me. This includes participating in anti-war protests a block from my house on the courthouse lawn, two weekends ago, in an extremely conservative town of bush supporters and confederate sympathizers (Can't say that I'm not one of them being descendents of the army of northern virginia, considering they were just defending their homes and places of work). In fact, the protest took place in front of a civil war memorial.]

Aside from all of that BS...

me and all my friends
we're all misunderstood
they say we stand for nothing and
there's no way we ever could
now we see everything that's going wrong
with the world and those who lead it
we just feel like we don't have the means
to rise above and beat it

so we keep waiting
waiting on the world to change
we keep on waiting
waiting on the world to change

it's hard to beat the system
when we're standing at a distance
so we keep waiting
waiting on the world to change
now if we had the power
to bring our neighbors home from war
they would have never missed a Christmas
no more ribbons on their door
and when you trust your television
what you get is what you got
cause when they own the information, oh
they can bend it all they want

that's why we're waiting
waiting on the world to change
we keep on waiting
waiting on the world to change

it's not that we don't care,
we just know that the fight ain't fair
so we keep on waiting
waiting on the world to change

and we're still waiting
waiting on the world to change
we keep on waiting waiting on the world to change
one day our generation
is gonna rule the population
so we keep on waiting
waiting on the world to change
we keep on waiting
waiting on the world to change

 

Hey, I like those lyrics....what are they from?

 

John Mayer... I have heard that song too much. I now hate it with a passion.

 

waiting on the world to change by John Mayer

i was raised by an "old hippie" who gave up protesting and such to become a cynical, negative, angry project manager for the IT business...
the only hippieness he has left is that he is currently unemployed and has been unemployed off and on throughout my entire life
i was raised by this cynical, negative, angry man and he(along with the world) has made it very difficult to be not so ...

i really don't think the "hippies" did anything that we're not doing in terms of stopping a war...

the majority of the hippies were only hippies because it was the thing to do...dropping out of college wasn't to stop any war...smoking pot didn't help with anything...the majority of the musicans that were so influencial in helping war efforts, where only there for the money (not all, but some..if not most)

how many old hippies do you really see today, yes alot of them congregate here, but that doesn't mean there actually are alot of them out there...they all moved on and got go-no-where jobs, and they started families and they moved to the suburbs, and they sit on committees that decide, that the town will cut down more forests just to put another fucking walmart or big box store...or parking lot....

would you call them sell outs?...did they actually sell out, or were they really in the "hippie movement" for the right reasons in the first place?
the majority of the hippies were only there because it was a fad
and to this day for the majority it is still a fucking fad

no one is going to stop a war by growing their hair long, smoking a doobie, and listening to the dead and phish (not that i that i have anything against that)

all the old bastards that were keeping the original hippie movement from going anywhere are still around, and until alot of old men and women set in their conservative ways die, we're still going to have all the political bullshit we have today...but at this point the old bastrads have done a fine job in raising their children to be just them, and their children have done a fine job in raising our generation just like them, maybe things won't ever change....

or maybe we'll get off our asses and do more
there are alot of people going to marches and protests...more and more people care about the enviroment (thanks to al gore )...things are changing in our own way, in the way of our generation..and no matter what any of the "old hippies" say...we have to do things in our own way

 

Yep, George.


also... this thread reminds me of a line in a grreeeeeat song.

"I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love" (Who's Got the Crack.... Jess, download this song... it's by The Moldy Peaches)

 

It all depends on the situation/person.

Some people are where they were 30 years ago, some people are somewhere else every day.

 

i agree completely

pavel: i'm so checking that out

 

Oooh... Indian summer rocks!!! Nail-on-the-head!

Also, don't forget that a lot of those hippies who were so true to the movement are in the gutters in san fransisco tripping out because they took some really bad acid or PCP in the 60's or 70's...

 

Wh do you think the secons counter culture happened?(punk). Because the first one had stopped.

 

I LOOOOVE PCP.

Here I am on PCP feeling like SUPPPPERMAN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjSjgsonUvE

 

Good point... And in fact punk was forming becuase they wanted to do what the hippies did, but more efficiantly. They saw the concept of pacifism as foolish... They didn't think it worked. For the most part, that is...