The West created the Arab Monster

In 2003 Bush said the west had to make the middle east in our image in order to stop terrorism. In the past 60-70 years we excused and accommodated the lack of freedom in the middle east. The arab world did not chose to be ruled by these corrupt and incompetent tyrannies. The sad thing is we created them in order to protect our own interests. And we have spent the last half of the century keeping them in power for the same reason.
Here is the breakdown. The British carved the kingdom of Jordon out of the old Ottoman province of Syria after the first world war, and they put Hashemite ruling family on the throne it still occupies.
France carved Lebanon out of Syria to create a christian majority state that controlled most of the syrian coastline. Then when the higher Muslim birth rate led to a revolt against the christian ruling class. The U.S. in 1958 sent there troops in the restore it. The labanese civil war from the mid 70's to 1990 was a continuation of this same struggle.
Britian imposed a Hashemite monarchy on Iraq in the early 1900's. The authority was given to the sunni's in spite of them being the minority. When this monarchy was overthrown In 1958, the Baath party took over. The CIA gave the iraqi baathists the names of all the senior members of the Iraqi communist party( which were mostly Shiites) so they could be LIQUIDATED.
It was Britian that turned the traditional shiekhdoms in the gulf to seperate sovereign states and absolute monarchies. They carved kuwait out of Iraq in the process and Saudi Arabia was a joint British and American project.
The British welcomed the Egyptian generals over throw of King Farouk the destruction of the countries old nationalist politiacal parties. Failing to perdict that Gamal Abdul Nasser would eventually take over the Suez Canal. Then Britian conspired with France and Isreal to attack Egypt in a failed attemp to over throw him. Once Nasser died he was succeeded by generals that were willing to play ball with the west. They soon became washingtons favourite state. To help these dictators stay in power, washington has made them one of the top countries to recieve foriegn aide ever year for the past quarter of a century.
So the west created the madern Middle East , from its rotten regimes down to its ridiculous borders. And it did this with complete disregard of the local peoples. Its is a big problem that most arab goverments are currupt and breed hatred and despair in there own peoples. Which of course fuels terrorism against the west. But it was the west that created this problem, and you know what invading Iraq will not solve it. If the US want to create arab democracy, it might try making all the aide to Egypt conditional on prompt democratic reforms. But you know what? I'm got going to hold my breath.

 

America needs a constant enemy to be fighting, in order to keep its population riled up and ignorant, full of fear and willing to support anything they propose. all you got to do is just say no, and they can't use you for their imperialistic conquests.

 

were things any better before the west had empires

saudi arabia had slaves until the 1960s to 1970s they may still have them unofficially , there are hundreds of thousands of slaves in sudan ect ect

if we hadnt cut up north africa and the middle east we would be facing a larger stronger slave owning theocracy

blame islam for the fact that the middle east is undemocratic and backward




http://www.faithfreedom.org

 

So the Soviet Union's support of Iran didn't help form the middle east? Or the fractioning of India to form pakistan? We are hardly to blame for all the troubles there.

 

Wow, one long bit of horse shit!

You know what created the Arab monster? I'll tell you - Islam. Islam is a barbaric religion that is stuck in the 6th century, as can be attested to the brutal beheadings we have been witnessing. Islam is the most easily twisted religion, and the tyrants that run the Muslim governments abuse their own religion to get what they want.

Stop blaming the West. Wahhh its our fault! lol apparently, everything is our fault.

 

Yes, Islam created the middle Eastern monster, not the west. We are however, the reason that said monster is still alive and growing. We're constantly feeding it by buying oil and gasoline. Our consumers are the reason for the middle East's prospering economies (hell, Kuwait is the wealthiest nation in the world per capita), which then are taxed by the monarchs and dictators and used to fund terrorist camps and schools. Cut down on buying middle Eastern oil, even to half of it's current rate to begin with, and we would effectively kill the monster. Then we develop Alaska and Russia's oil resources, which are pretty much untapped. That should more than make up for what we lose from the Middle East, and it deals a steel-toed kick to OPEC's balls.

I don't see why there are people against developing Alaska's oil. Worst case scenario, we lose a couple caribou. Big shit. It's not like disrupting an isolated Alaskan ecosystem will set off a chain reaction resulting with the Apacolypse. And Russia could REALLY use the money and the industry, so it works out there too.

 

Delevoping Russian oil is gonna be a bitch. If i remember correctly most of it is under permafrost, the 15 feet deep kind.

 

we can put a man on the moon and you feel permafrost is a concern - WOW is all I have to say to that.


the real efforts should be made towards developing different technologies instead of whoring out the environment in Alaska and Russia to satisfy our glutonous appetite for oil.

 

Well how are you gonna convince a drilling crew to leave home and family to drill through 15 feet of ice mimium? That doesn't sound like a job i want.

 

If the pay was decent i would do it.

 

The same could be said for the workers in Alaska, that sure as hell won't be any picnic. Same with the middle East. I mean, how many workers want to be working in the glaring sun in 110 degree weather? If the pay is good, people will go.

Oh wait, I'm talking to a dead man.........

 

Eh, money ain't worth it dude, in my opinion anyway. Disrupting an ecosystem as pristine as Alaska's isn't such a trivial matter if you have much fondness for wildlife and nature. I'm sure you've heard this before, but unsullied environments are dwindling all the time, so I'm all for keeping developers' oily hands off of Alaska's nature reserves.

And on the topic, I think both fundamentalist Islam and the West can be blamed for the "Arab Monster." Islam was on its way out in the earlier half of the 20th century, Ataturk was setting the trend. Along came Israel though, and Islamic fundies found something to exploit and use for propaganda. The inferiority complex the Arabs have over being European "protectorates" in the colonial era, and Western manipulation of their governments for business interests (e.g. the Shah) doesn't help either.

 

calls for un to make a international blasphemy law that would make it illegal to defame mohammed

the guy calling for this law doesnt believe muslims are involved in any terrorism either its all a conspiracy to defame peaceful islam

http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_detail.php?id=1078

 

You just know you're not being fed theocratical bullshit when you come accross this line in your morning paper:

Oh man, I have to start getting that paper delivered to me on Sundays. It so beats the shit out of the NY Times.

 

If i remember correctly, christianity has a lot of skeletons in it's closet...

dont judge Islam on what a radical fringe group of muslims do and I wont judge christianity on the kkk or judaism on zionists

 

it isnt a radical fringe thats the point

all your leaders and the media will not tell you that but its not a small number of people who dont understand a basically peaceful religion

they do understand the religion and the people chopping heads off and fighting jihad are following the basic tenets of the religion

really you should read all the articles on faithfreedom and then go on some islamic sites and find out whether they are telling the truth or lies .

you have a view so does george bush that islam is basically a peaceful religion,
prove it
if it is you should be able to disprove what faithfreedom says

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/MuslimGuidelines.htm

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_emerson.htm

The 9/11 Commission and Jihad http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14439

 

You can easily point to violent eras in any major religion's past, even Buddhism.

But the fact is, nowadays the majority of religious people are sane enough that they don't have the same bloodlust that some of their ancestors might have had, and don't have an urge to kill infidels. The times have changed and most people are enlightened enough to toss aside that line of thinking. I've known plenty of Muslims and none of them have tried to chop my head off. The Islamic fundamentalists are indeed a lunatic fringe group, just as Christians have their loopy fundies, like Jerry Falwell. All fundies will say they truly understand their religion and they're returning to its roots blah blah blah, and maybe if you decide to look at their religion in a certain light, they may have a point, in their own worlds. They're still nutjobs all the same. I don't believe the fundamentalists show anything about the evils of Islam so much as the fact that taking any religion on such a fanatic level can't be good.

 

buddha as I understand it didnt personally mass murder lots of people.

islam is very much based around the life of mohammed, so for example if mohammed prayed in a certain way thats the way you should pray, if he cut his beard a certain length thats the way you should cut your beard.
so mohammed being a mass murderer has a effect on the religion

if you had read some of the links that Ive posted jihad is a central part of the islamic religion and by jihad I dont mean some sort of spiritual struggle I mean violence

I also know a lot of muslims who are very nice friendly people but my experience is that their religion has a negitive effect on them

in the uk I know nice muslims who would act violently to someone who wanted to leave islam, I used to have a very nice uncle who was a nazi .
sometimes I think we are fooled because we dont ask people hard questions

how many muslims in the west have given money to jihadi charitys , what is their long-term aim do they wish to establish a theocracy sometime in the future
what rights would atheists and pagans have in this theocracy ?
do they support killing homosexuals or stoning
do they really believe in democracy ?

 

True, and Buddhism is one of the more passivistic religions, to be sure. What I was referring to were the different groups of fighter monks, especially in Japan.

Heh, well that's an opinion thing, not necessarily one that I entirely disagree with, but it's still only your opinion. Personally I would expand that comment to include all organized religions *dons flame-retardant cloak*

Basically I'm saying this militant, fanatic streak isn't something that is limited to Islam. Islam simply happened to be the main faith in a very volatile and frustrated part of the world where that tendency was allowed to grow more than in other areas.