The wars in the middle east

The way I see it, we need to get some stuff done.
http://costofwar.com/
^ The cost of the wars total, the cost of the iraq war, and the cost of the war in afgahnistan

And this is NOT just a "we should get together blah blah blah..." post. I mean we need to protest, write strongly worded letters to the president and congressmen, etc. This is a pointless invasion, and nobody actually declared war. "oh but congress authorized troops to go there!" Come on. You've gotta be kidding me. It's a war on terror, and the way i see it, it's like the war on communism: A war without a solid objective.

PM me if you live around Omaha and we can get together and plan something. something big

So make this the summer. And as a sidenote, how long do you think it will be untill the gvt enacts a draft because they're getting many innocent people killed?

 

Letter Of An Iraqi Woman To Americans.
Letter of an Iraqi woman to Americans
Is there anything in Iraq that the Americans have not destroyed ?
Anything at all ?
And you dare wonder why I detest you so much...And you have the audacity to
come to my blog to question me about my origins, my location, my ideas, my
roots, my sense of belonging...
What kind of a race are you ? What kind of a people are you ?
Yes, I said people not government. I am not politically correct. Your
government is part of you and you are part of it. Like it or not.
And don't come and tell me in your sheepish ways that I know all too well :
" Oh, but I did not vote for this one. "
I don't give a **** whom you voted for or did not vote for. It is not my
problem.
My problem is you. Your culture, your behavior, your mentality, your
character, your haughtiness, your arrogance, your false pride, your denial,
your collective stupidity and ignorance, your way of life which I find
boring, empty and distasteful, your accent which is an affront to my
ears...and to my senses.
I do not like you. Full stop.

I know, I know, some of you are good people...
I know, I know, America is not a homogenous group... I know all that shit.
It does not make one iota of difference in my life and that of other Iraqis.
I no longer give a damn about your nuances, your political leanings, how
good or how bad you are...It is meaningless to me and to countless others.
Our lives have been ruined, totally ruined...We do not give a **** about
your nuances.
And all I know is that you have destroyed my country. Beyond repair.

The past - you have looted and destroyed. Trying to erase our collective
historical memory...Our roots, where we came from, what our ancestors did,
their achievements, their trials, their statues, their writings...

You do not know history, you are rejects of history. You have no history.
You have no past, you have nothing...you are nothing.
You are nothing but ogres of consumerism. Not just material stuff, but
anything you can swallow whole you will. You even swallow other people's
history whole.
You are a greedy, covetous, gluttonous, voracious, jealous, envious
people...
Since you are nothing, your nihilism contaminates everything else...
You destroy and self destruct...

No Future - You have no future, because inside of yourselves, your future is
limited to your own little egos. Little egos have no future. Little egos are
amoebas, parasites, feeding off others...You think you have a vision but
your vision is only about your stomach, your pockets and what you have in
between your legs...That is it.
This is where it stops. Surely this does not make you seers...
What have you contributed to the world ? Anything of real substance?
Nothing. Apart from brutal might and power... and your sickening culture
that is as hollow and as empty as you are.

And just as you have no real future, you robbed us of our own. You are
collectively a bunch of criminals, thieves, thugs and perverts of the worst
kind.

Since your ****ing 9/11, you have totally destroyed two countries.
Afghanistan and Iraq.
And you have not stopped. Not one day, not one hour...

You wanted regime change in Iraq - you got it.
You also changed us, me, beyond anything I can recognize...I never hated you
before. Today I do. I really hate you.

You collectively disgust me. Even our ancient Mesopotamian deities and
spirits are disgusted with you. Every single letter of the Alphabet is
disgusted with you.
The earth, the rivers, the sky, the mountains, the trees, the birds of Iraq
are disgusted with you...The cosmos is disgusted with you ...

Everytime I spot one of you anywhere in close proximity and hear that ugly
accent of yours I run away...I avoid you like the plague. I can't bear to
hear you or see you.
You represent nothing but Death and Destruction to me.
Your ugliness is all pervading...
Everytime I switch on the TV or the Radio and see or hear one of you, I zap.
I wish I can zap you out of my life once and for all...

I know, I keep repeating myself, but then you keep repeating the same acts.

Iraq is going down, with its past and its future...

I can only promise you one thing, however long it may take, we are going to
take you down with us.


Picture :A Sumerian Cuneiform that you have looted and destroyed

 

Well thanks for that. That's kinda why i wanna stop the war in the first place. Minus the fact that i think everyone in my country is disgusting. But i do know that many of us are.

 

I have no question about it whatsoever.

Human.

Governments speak for no individual. Like it or not.

I've never met you. Do you live my way of life? If not, what you find boring empty and distasteful, must come from your imagination. I am not your problem. Problems are mental scenarios. Your problem is your attitude.

So there is no goodness left in you?

Actually the earth heals itself. Men could be healed by accepting healing instead of seeking retribution.

I saw Iraqis looting museums.

History is always told in the present

Neither past nor future exist. You have memory and imagination.

Actually both of those countries continue to exist.

I have not been to Iraq or Afghanistan.

No, I want my children to be healthy and happy.

There you have it things changed when you chose hate instead of looking for healing.

Actually the sun shines on everyone alike.

Not if all you do is run away. I don't think you can fulfill any promise.

 

very true i agree but i dont there ever is a good reason 4 war.....world peace,brothers and sisters,world peace!!!!!

 

i quite like what thedope said. very true

 

I would like to express my deep and heart-felt sympathy to that poor Iraqi woman who is complaining about the enormous amount of devastation that was inflicted on her country by the legions of stoopid gun-toting US Americano mercenaries. I think it was Jesus who said, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." Iraq never did anything to the USA, so the question that needs to be asked is, "why has the USA been attacking and invading and destroying the people of Iraq for so many years?" Do you suppose that MAYBE it has something to do with the fact that we as a nation have this inordinate predilection for watching television .... or do you suppose that MAYBE it has something to do with the fact that our so-called "leadership" is composed primarily of criminals and psychopaths ? Our so-called "leadership" represents a VERY BIG part of the problem because THEY are the ones who got us into this mess in the first place; the so-called "newsmedia" represents a VERY BIG part of the problem because THEY are the ones who lied to us from the very outset, and THEY are the ones who persist in the endeavor to deceive us ... but most of all .... WE ARE THE PROBLEM !

The bottom line is that we have absolutely no valid excuses for our rotten and immoral behavior.

 

excuse me hillbilly, but I haven't done anything. so don't say we. I was never for this war in the first place and haven't done anything rotten and immoral (at least involving this, although i don't think i have anyway), and i hope we on the forums haven't either, but i can't speak for the group. Neither should you

 

I'm not trying to speak for anyone else.

I was never in favor of carrying out a campaign of mass murder and destruction against the nation of Iraq .... I never did anything to those poor Iraqis ... either .... but .... like it or not .... the soldiers are representing us ! The soldiers are our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, friends and neighbors, and we're paying for them. We're paying the soldiers with our tax dollars, and we're also paying for the criminal politicians who are running the whole thing.

It's our collective responsibility - as citizens - to make sure that we don't send soldiers overseas to rape and to pillage in our name ! I wish that I knew what to do about it. I'm willing to accept my share of the blame .... how about you ?

 

If that is true, you might like to try using the word "I" instead of the word "we".

 

the American soldier is a contract slave .

these are not the warriors of a nation devoted to freedom ; as such , each would be truly honored and free . a justifiable war of self-defence would be self-evident to them . they would feel the collective responsibility .

what to do ? all we got are words . i speak them to soldiers as words of peace . they understand . but these have been just occasional words and lonesome understandings .

 

Slave is a bit strong. These are guys who willfully signed contracts. While they might be controlled, they make the ultimate decision whether to pull the trigger or not.

I can't say I have very high expectations of soldiers. I honestly see them as people who signed on to potentially kill or aid in the killing of other human beings in return for pay checks, scholar ships and a medical plan.

Some might have a noble mindset, but their ignorance (willful or not) of their government's motivations is what enables wars for profit like Iraq and such to go on.

 

I don't see Iraq as being a war for profit, even though it certainly has been a profitable venture for certain vested interests. There's a panoply of reasons that help to explain why we've been bombing and killing Iraqis all of these years, but of these, profit-seeking doesn't rank very highly.

The foremost reason for the slow, methodical and decades-long destruction of Iraq, is that the US government was acting at the behest of a powerful foreign lobby group.

Is it necessary to mention this lobby group by name ?

 

To seek an advantage that does not currently exist is a venture for profit.

 

Israel was (and is) seeking to conquer the region through the deployment of its US auxiliary/mercenary force.

Israel is seeking to carry out a program of mass extermination against the region's Arab and Moslem population.

Israel just wants to kill as many gentiles as possible.

As long as gentiles are being exterminated, Israel is very happy.

Israel is also seeking to destroy the USA.

How is this a war for profit ? It may true that there are some parties who are profiting from it, but in the final analysis, Iraq is primarily a Jewish war of extermination against gentiles. Think: Old Testament.

How do you explain the sanctions that were put in place against Iraq during the Clinton era ?

 

Sure, the Israel lobby may play a role in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the American military wouldn't be there if there weren't some sort of economic gain. Our companies stand to make a lot of money by contracting to take Iraq's oil, Afghanistan's minerals and providing mercenary security forces to both.

 

to fix this govt war , soldiers must refuse to go . they need the constitutional freedom .

soldiers suffer awfully when they discover the motivation given by
govt proves deceptive . they find they are not killing in defense
of their family ... they are ordered to destroy the enemies of the govt the govt has made or have more evilly just inventively declared to be an enemy .

the honorable warrior's motive is to defend family . a free man
may choose to decline for any lesser reason . peace to this .

you've heard the recently reported suicide rate for the Afghani War -
it's been noted that as many soldiers have killed themselves as have died in battle . hmmm .

 

To profit, simply means in this instance to gain advantage.

 

There was no financial advantage in the sanctions that were imposed during the Clinton era. It was purely an act of ethnic-based malice against the goyim of Iraq. You can argue that the invasion was good for the manufacturers of armaments and munitions, but the sanctions are a dead-giveaway. The sanctions were purely an act of ethnic hatred and nothing else. Israel simply gets off on killing and slaughtering gentiles. The mass murder could have been beneficial in some other ways, but it was never about money and finance.

 

Financial is not the only kind of advantage. To get people to do your bidding or the attempt to do so is the attempt to gain advantage.