The sins and the virtues:

The deadly sins:

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

The virtues:

Love
Compassion
Peace making
Hospitality
Charity
Courage
Faithfulness
Gentleness
Patience
Justice

Which of these do you disagree the most with?

 

As in which one is not a sin/not a virtue?

 

As in, which one of these basic tenets makes you think "Man, Christianity is sooooo shit"?

 

I dont have a problem with any of them.

 

I think they're all pretty okay too. I guess "Lust" and "Sloth" could do with a little clarification, but...

 

true...

but I think if you are lustful or lazy to the point that it is sinful, you'll know.

if you dont, I'm sure someone will tell you. lol.

 

I'm kinda wary of sins which the sinner gets to define for themselves, personally. It's kinda like saying "OK, so you raped someone... but did you really mean it?"

 

Love is the central theme that ties it together

 

what the hell are you talking about?


this is an entirely new thread, and he has yet to address you in it.

regardless of what you may think, the world doesn't revolve around you. post on topic or stay the hell out of the thread.

 

you didn't say it...

actions speak louder than words FedUp...

I'm not consumed by 'hate' , I just dont want to see another thread totally de-railed, which you have to admit, you've been acting extra ridiculous lately.

 

This thread was not directed at you, FedUp. You have nothing interesting to say about the subject.

 

The thing about these is that they are fairly universal (I am sure there is the odd exception) when dealing with religious world views.

Don't do things in excess, don't do things that make you forget about God (or whatever). Be nice to people, do things without expecting rewards from people. Not to say that people wouldn't do these nice things if there was not metaphysical consequences, but they are things to be strived towards.

I think the emphasis in religions for social justice is something that should be admired. Not everyone intrinsically has the compulsion to help other people...

 

Well that was kind of my point. People are swift to judge Christianity based on the actions of those who utterly disregard its basic tenets, rather than decrying the tenets itself. If the tenets were at fault, I'd be all for changing them, but no-one has so far pointed out that they are.

 

Any healthy individual should possess a mix of all the above qualities as is natural. To blindly catagerise some as virtues and others vices is just silly.

 

Well a lot of the sins are sins of excess, so it's not just, for example, "if you eat anything, it's Gluttony" or "if you have any money, it's Greed". There's judgment involved.

 

Ignoring the personal attack, that's an absurdly arrogant idea. X person has not read Y book, therefore he is a sinner until he reads it? Aren't you opposed to the idea that one is born sinning and must atone for that sin? Original sin, in other words?

It's amusing for someone who is so opposed to a specific religion to espouse so many of its ideals without even having some supernatural entity to back up his misguided self-edification.

 

Please respond to the substance of the post. I am not interested in your attempts to derail this thread. That is why I said "ignoring the personal attack"; pay attention and you'll notice the word "ignoring" there. If I was "playing the victim", I would not have ignored it.

How can you justify suggesting a sin that everyone would be born with, as someone who is opposed to Christianity? I'm not sure if you mean "being misinformed" - as in, being lied to or otherwise misled - or if I should interpret your use of the term as synonymous with being "uninformed", but either way, you're basically condemning people for things that they are not actively doing, but which either result from their inaction or else from their deception by others.

 

How is what I have just said illustrating that I am "being misinformed", FedUp? I'm responding to your posts and asking for your answer, therefore I am only "being misinformed" if you are misinforming me.

 

The answer I seek is the answer to the question:

"How can you justify suggesting a sin that everyone would be born with, as someone who is opposed to Christianity?"

Unless you're claiming to have published a book on the subject, you're lying when you say that I will find that answer in a book.

 

FedUp! You are a wanker!