The rational choice is to believe there’s a God

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The rational choice is to believe there’s a God
By CHARLEY REESE
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Published Thursday, June 9, 2005
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Christopher Hitchens, the British writer who has fallen in love with American neoconservatives, recently said this about people of faith: "I can’t stand anyone who believes in God, who invokes the divinity, or who is a person of faith. I mean, that to me is a horrible, repulsive thing."
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Well, it doesn’t really matter what the old-left, born-again neoconservatives think. I cite the quotation, from a radio interview in the United Kingdom to set the stage for the point that atheism and Darwinism are matters of faith, not scientific fact. They are rationalizations for another form of secular faith: materialism.
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It is impossible to prove there is no God, just as it has so far been impossible to prove that life began as a single cell in some primordial pond. If either of these beliefs was just a matter of reason and science, then the people who hold it would feel no hostility against those who disagree with them. But, as my example shows, they are hostile to people who disagree with them.
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The atheist-Darwinist-materialist acts exactly like the religious zealots he professes to scorn. He is evangelical, dogmatic and tends to view people who disagree with him as either idiots or enemies. It seems that humans are incapable of living without faith. They just have different gods.
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Intelligent design is a far more plausible theory than the belief that life in all its incredible profusion and complexity is a mere accident. There is no fossil evidence of any species ever becoming another species. What the fossil records show is exactly what mankind has seen since we learned to write: Some species die out. Some don’t. Occasionally, some genetic mutation will cause a slight change in some life-form, but never to the extent of creating a new form of life. The fact that one occasionally sees an albino squirrel does not mean that all of squirreldom will become white.
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The war between materialists and people of faith has gone on for millennia. It is going on today. There are very important philosophical differences between the two camps. The materialist believes he has no responsibility to take care of others. That’s why Darwinism and its survival-of-the-fittest claim were seized upon by the materialists as a perfect rationalization of their selfishness. People of faith, however, feel a God-given responsibility to help their fellow human beings.
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Every tyranny has been materialistic, though some tyrannies are frequently disguised with a false altruistic covering. As we have seen in communist countries both past and present, the reality contradicts theory. The reality is rule by an oligarchy that enslaves the population. As George Orwell so perceptively saw, everybody is equal, but some are more equal than others. In the Soviet Union, the aristocracy was replaced by the Communist Party leadership, and the top communist acted with the same absolutism as the czars of old. The communist czars, however, were a million times more murderous than the old czars.
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Today, the selfish materialists have trotted out another god - the free market. The market, these people claim, if left free will always make rational economic decisions. Once again, reality contradicts theory. Unregulated capitalism will make the rich extremely rich and the poor extremely poor. "Rational" and "moral" are two different and unrelated things. In the unregulated early days of capitalism, industrialism created hellish conditions for the working men and women. The capitalist, unless constrained by religious faith or, in the absence of that, government regulation, can be as ruthless and brutal as any commissar. It might be rational to close a factory in America and move it to a country where desperate people will work for pennies, but it darn sure isn’t moral.
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Keep in mind the bet as expressed by the French genius Blaise Pascal: If you bet there is no God and you win, you win nothing, but if you lose, you lose everything. If you bet there is a God and you win, you win everything, and if you lose, you lose nothing. Rationally speaking, God is the best bet.
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I prefer to live in a country of people of faith rather than in a country of people like Christopher Hitchens. People who claim there is no God intend to play God themselves, with us as their subjects.
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Former Orlando Sentinel columnist Charley Reese writes for King Features Syndicate.
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Source:
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http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Jun/20050609Comm003.asp
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links:
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The Dirty Methods Of Evolutionists - FOSSIL FORGERY
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Where did everything come from?What is the proof? Big Bang
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Tsunami's waves formed Allah's name
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Understand this life more (1) [The dream]
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How there isn't (creator=designer=God)? (Presentation)
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Dedication to those who seek the truth and need help
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The secret of ''Allah's name''!
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Belief in God's existence
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Something cannot come from nothing
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Design indicates a designer (short)
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Darwinism fails
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Now a famous Professor Atheist believes in God existence
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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the rational choice is to accept that what is unknown is unknown instead of using disaggreements over speculation as to its nature and origen as excuses to beat each other over the head.

i'm not saying this just, or even primarily to islamists, but primarily to christians, moslems, and any other form of chauvanism, no just of belief but of economics and idiology as well.

yes there are all sorts of things no one knows anything about, and one god or even many of them could very well be among them.

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yup, Totally agreed =)​

Except Allah knows in my POV =)​

Much peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,
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The rational thing to do is to STOP attributing that which is unexplained (as of yet) to "supernaturalism" over and fucking over again.

Why after thousands of years and hundreds of discoveries proving this point, is this lesson still unlearned? The capacity for human self-deception is sad, frightening, and ridiculous.

Why answer mysteries with mysteries? Why not admit that some things are just "unknown" and that is ok?

Why do we have to continue fill the gap with our fairytale bullshit?

History has shown us to keep our minds open rather than fill those unknown gaps with supernatural answers (which always wind up being disproven). Why continue?

The rational choice is to believe that what we don't know is simply unknown and requires no "God", no fairies, no trolls, no angels, no leprechauns, no ghosts, no demons , no Mother Goose/Brothers Grimm horseshit to fill those empty spaces--only patience...and experiment until it happens.

 

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The rational thing to do is to STOP attributing that which is explained to "evolution" over and over again.

this, what this? exactly.​

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Yours Sincerely,
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American neoconservatives are horrible, repulsive things.

HAH! You think that neoconservatives are the old-left? You have much to learn about American politics. Neoconservatives still support the right-wing GOP, and are still a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers. (Pardon my opinionatedness on this matter, but I am heavily involved with politics.)

I have one word for you.

THEORY

Sorry cat, but you're a complete and utter moron for thinking that ANYONE has claimed "proof" that we evolved form a single cell.

Beyond that, Darwin's Theory of Evolution does not state ANYWHERE that we evolved from a single celled organism, or that we weren't created!

Read On the Origin of Species before you make such a blatantly uninformed post as this one.

Beyond that, do you think we have to prove that there is a God? You are the one making the claim that God exists, and you are the one who has to prove it. Thus far, it has not been proven, so it is not worth believing in. You have failed to prove that a God exists, and so has everyone else before you who has tried. Your argument that God exists is no better or worse than the argument that God doesn't exist.

Furthermore, human beings are creatures of emotion. Science an reason, contrary to popular fundamentalist theist beliefs, allow emotion into the grand equation. People get hostile with those who believe, because those who believe get hostile with those who don't believe!

Do you not believe me? Rememeber the Crusades! Remember the Jihads! Believers in all kinds of gods have been responsible for mass murder, genocide and unchecked slaughter of non-believers for centuries!

You are the real ones to blame for all of the hate and hostility in this world!!

Again, you show your lack of knowledge by stating that it is a "mere accident."

This is totally incorrect, and almost NO atheists, pantheists, panentheists, etc. believe that life is an accident.

STOP GENERALIZING, CATSTEVENS, before you make yourself like even MORE of an asshole, as you did by flooding the Christian boards with more propaganda. I tried to be nice before, and asked you privately to not do that, but now I have to go through your post and call you stupid for making these idiotic generalizations that you do. I didn't want to have to do this.

Most atheists believe that life in the universe was a probability, that it was ultimately going to happen at some point in time in the life of the universe, because of how vastly insane the universe is.

I don't believe that you understand just how incredibly big the universe is. If you did, and you did some of the math and conceptualizing (stepping down from your view of the Earth being the only important thing in the universe just because we live here), you would realize that the probability of life existing is MUCH, much larger than the probability of life not existing. Even in all of its complexity (which is NOT irreducible, despite that it seems to be).

Again, I have to call you a complete moron for this. You clearly do not understand genetics at all.

ALBINO ORGANISMS ARE NOT MUTATIONS OR EVOLUTION. An organism that is albino simply has matching pairs of genes that cause a lack of pigment. These genes are present in ALL similar organisms.

Secondly, not only do fossil records show that human beings have evolved from previous species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution, this link actually shows a list and description of previous human forms, and also has a section about the recently-found link between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens), but beyond that, we have documented evidence of evolution of species, that human beings have observed!

As a matter of fact, we have controlled the evolution of plants for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. We have created new plants simply by changing the environment and exposures those plants had. Ever eat brussel sprouts? How about sweet corn? Sweet corn wasn't sweet corn until we took maize and bred it to evolve into sweet corn.

Evolution of species is a proven fact. Evolution of all species from a single source (abiogenesis) is not a proven fact but there is a LOT of evolutionary evidence suggesting that it is not only possible, but also suggesting that it is true.

Whereas science has ten thousand books on evolution, religion only has a handful, and only two big ones, which were written thousands of years ago, and which don't even apply to the modern world anymore. Religion is outdated, face it.

WHAT the FUCK does materialism have to do with atheism or non-belief?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

Cat Stevens, this is the absolutely most retarded concept you have ever posted to date.

MATERIALISM is "The theory or attitude that physical well-being and worldly possessions constitute the greatest good and highest value in life."

You can be a theist and be a materialist, and you can be an atheist and be a materialist, and you can also be agnostic and be a materialist!

In fact, many of the world's materialists in-practice are Christian theists in control of the government.

I am presuming that you are not actually talking about materialism, but rather you are talking about non-theism (those who don't believe in a sentient higher power).

Firstly, NON-THEISTS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF OTHERS.

I am a non-theist, and I have yet to find a single person that believes in a deity that cares more about the environment, more about social equality, more about health and kindness to animals and other humans, than I do.

I am a crusader for animal rights. I believe in not hating others, and strive to hate noone! That is more than your faith can say, your faith orders you to pick up the spear and sword, and take them to all those who will not believe in Allah! I can get you the verse in the Quran that says so!

YOU people are the PLAGUE of the Earth!

Actually, this one I don't disagree with at all. You're entirely correct with this statement.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

Theists are thrown into a world of suffering and repressing their own emotions and desires. Sexual desires are a natural occurrance -- it's necessary for the survival of the human race. How can something that is necessary be evil? Instead of being responsible and informed about things like sexuality and sin, theists say "this is wrong and you will burn in the underworld for even THINKING it!"

So what does this produce? The forbidden fruit factor causes infidelity. IT CAUSES SIN. It has been proven statistically that, when a person is told not to do something, they want to do it even more.

What is the result? MORE THAN HALF of all marriages in the United States end up in divorce! There is murder for the sake of murder, sin for the sake of sin! People do not as they are told, but rather the opposite!

You say "If you bet there is no God, and you win, you win nothing, but if you lose, you lose everything."

Perhaps you have never heard of Limbo? That nice little slice of nothingness between Purgatory and Hell. Limbo is where all of the virtuous non-believers go. It's where all the unbaptized children, and all of the good pagans and great atheists go. THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT IN LIMBO. Dante describes it as "a garden illuminated by the light of reason, wherein many shades dwell." This is where all of the great, moral thinkers, the great philosophers and virtuous scientists go. Socrates and Plato. Aristotle. All of the names that you learn in school, that the ease of your current life belongs to, go here upon death, according to various sources.

I call that TRUE salvation, better than any heaven without knowledge could be. That is truly "life" after death.

Besides! How SACRED could life possibly be, if it goes on forever?

The beauty in life is beautiful, only because one day, it may all come to an end! That is why it is treasured! That is why it is held as sacred! BECAUSE IT ENDS. Life would be taken for granted if it were not for death! If you take Allah's eternal life and think about it ... it's ETERNAL. It is as timeless as the wind. It is as thoughtless as the rain. If it is truly eternal, it is as constant as Allah himself, and what is the beauty in a guaranteed life? There is none!

NONE of your post has been even the slightest bit rational, except for the part about Capitalism! It is FULL of errors, FULL of generalizations.

And here is the biggest part:

YOUR ENTIRE POST IS FULL OF HYPOCRACY

But how can this be, Cat Stevens? You talk about how others are hostile because they have no faith, and yet THE FAITHFUL have always been the ones who are hostile, AND YOU ARE DRIVEN BY YOUR FAITH TO POST THIS EXTREMELY ARROGANT, MISGUIDED, IGNORANT POST BY YOUR FAITH.

Cat Stevens, you are the devil.

I wish it weren't true, but it is. Even in the Bible, Lucifer, the light bearer, believes that he is great, greater perhaps even than YHWH, and yet, all of the "truly good" people see that he is evil.

You are the same way: You believe that WE are evil, when YOUR PEOPLE are the ones who are warring, YOUR PEOPLE are the ones full of hatred and contempt for others, YOUR PEOPLE are the ones who are sinning, YOUR PEOPLE are the ones committing infidelity in their marriages.

People who believe in God intend to play God themselves with us as their subjects.

How can I say this?

YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE SAYING "if you don't believe in this, you will not be saved." THAT IS NOT SOMETHING FOR YOU TO SAY, CAT. THAT IS SOMETHING FOR GOD TO SAY.

AND UNTIL I HEAR THOSE WORDS FROM THE MOUTH OF THE LORD, ADONAI, YHWH, I DO NOT TRUST YOU OR YOUR OLD ASS BOOK.

:X <- evil
:H <- awesome

This post brought to you, in truly vicious fashion, mimicking the vicious fashion in which Christians and Muslims have killed eachother, and others, for centuries.

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Oh yeah ... I just read an article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/07/science/07evolve.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Here is the beginning of the article, I suggest you read it, before you start saying that there is no evidence of evolution:

"Study, in a First, Explains Evolution's Molecular Advance

By KENNETH CHANG
Published: April 7, 2006

By reconstructing ancient genes from long-extinct animals, scientists have for the first time demonstrated the step-by-step progression of how evolution created a new piece of molecular machinery by reusing and modifying existing parts.

The researchers say the findings, published today in the journal Science, offer a counterargument to doubters of evolution who question how a progression of small changes could produce the intricate mechanisms found in living cells."

 

As much as I agree with everything Hikaru says, I don't beleive that some who cares so much humanity and the Earth, and then calling people scum, or the plagues of the Earth will keep them from being any less hostile. You share the same beleifs as I do when it comes to this topic, although I don't think having faith or no faith should grant people any less or equal. It is basically government that does this, radical views conflicting with radical government views.

As for the Limbo thing, I never took Dante's Inferno seriously, other than the fact it was a form of propoganda made up by the Chruch to enstill this "fear" that surrounds Hell. Yet, when I read it, I always perceived limbo as life as we know it know, the free thinkers we're simply reincarnated so that the rest of the people could share their ideas and become enlightened, this is the "illumination" that is brought up.

To me life is hell, and the only thing we can do is try and make it better for everyone around us. I myself beleive in a greater force, and the universe itself should be evidence of such a power.

 

LOL I know, I was being satirical (that kind of "mockery" thing). That's why I put this at the end:

"This post brought to you, in truly vicious fashion, mimicking the vicious fashion in which Christians and Muslims have killed eachother, and others, for centuries."

I made it sound evil for a reason.

But, it is true that I was a bit peeved, because Cat Stevens has been spamming the Christianity boards with propaganda and more drivel, and I asked him politely to keep the balance -- now he starts attacking non-believers, not just Christians, so I figured it's kind of a duty to tear him a new one.

Actually, Dante's Inferno wasn't the first thing to mention Limbo.

Hell, Limbo, and Purgatory, are all mentioned in the Bible (although Limbo isn't described in that much detail, other than being a place of no suffering but also no unwarranted rewards -- a place similar to this world).

Dante simply takes Hell a lot further with his Inferno, and sectionizes it into the Nine Circles of Hell.

I try to see things as, life can be hell or heaven, it's all about what you make it. In the past, life for me was hell, and I decided, you know what, I'm going to live with no regrets, and be true to myself and to others, and ever since then, my life has gotten a lot better -- I wouldn't call it hell anymore.

 

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I said nothing about evolution, Cat. Although, I do think that it is a more viable explanation than fairytale gods. But, you ought to keep a rational mind and realize that only the gullible and primitive attribute things they can't explain to the supernatural over and over again. From believing in volcano gods to the earth's rotation to sickness being attributed to "demons", science has exposed these silly superstitions time and time again, yet people like you keep holding on to myth and propaganda. The definition for ignoring evidence and repeating the same mistakes over and over again in the face of blatant contrary evidence is simply nothing more than insanity. ​

 

Well these fairy tale gods could have been the designers of such things as the laws of physics, evolutionary traits, genetic coding, intelligent design. But that doesn't necessarily mean they created us to worship them. That's almost like a computer gaining advanced intelligent and praising it's designer every time he logged on, it does nothing but inflate the ego.

 

Hikaru Zero​

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That what policy does to people, anger, sick, mad ….. *sigh*​

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See, you said, Most! Not all and BTW:​

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Myself I disagree with many things in the article, I highlighted some things because I want to know other members' opinion about them. He said: ​

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I think he is referring to all theories which atheists or Darwinists believe in, Big Ban or whatever. Have you never heard about this: life began as a single cell è this is one of the theories.​

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No, because it is very clear, really doesn't need, just to open your eyes, heart, brain in my POV.​

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I already did, ​

Where did everything come from?What is the proof? Big Bang​

How there isn't (creator=designer=God)? (Presentation)​

Belief in God's existence​

Something cannot come from nothing​

Design indicates a designer (short)​

Darwinism fails​

Now a famous Professor Atheist believes in God existence​

You didn't read all of the claims do you? Reading on or two or three articles about proving God's existence doesn't mean that we all failed, read the rest the other proofs too, It is important to go to those who claim that they have the logical, evident answer which is supported with proofs, not to anyone we choose who may doesn't convince us or not informed enough or don't know how to prove it by words or whatever, I don't mean that the people who you asked them have no idea, I am saying that if your belief isn't logical or isn't supported with evidences or when you cannot prove it that it is right or you aren't confirmedly believe it is true 100% without any doubts (gaps), you have doubts, THERE ARE WHO REFUTATED with evidences and logic refutation, then it is better to ask again and again till you reach the truth, no matter what it is. YES, It has been proven, read more, give it a real chance and time of yours.​

Read more before you make such a blatantly uninformed claim as this one =)​

Here are some people who claim to have the proof, contact them ​

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http://www.harunyahya.com/​

http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_atheism.php​

http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php​

http://www.elnaggarzr.com/Test_fre/English/index_E.asp ​

There are more and more, have you ever given them a chance?​

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Again: isn't me who wrote this article if you think so, plus, Myself I disagree with many things in the article, and one more thing, religion will never ever be responsible for its followers deeds when they are doing things against the teachings of their religion or when they are not practicing it, this is the utter stupidity. I believe people do evil believers and non-believers, people do good deeds believers and non-believers.​

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I don't know if you PM those who were flooding the forums with flaming off topic posts. You may missed them or DS or wasn't as I was doing (my right here!) however, I don't care, I am not generalizing anything, and yeah, NO BODY has the right to tell me or ask me privately to not do that the hipforums give me this right!!!!!!! I WILL DO WHATEVER I WANT IN THIS FORUMS AS LONG AS I AM RESPECTING THE GUIDELINES HERE, Make your own forum, if the truth is too harsh or you don't like to find different opinion or criticism or whatever, no body forced you to come here, ​

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It doesn't make universe insane when we misunderstand it or cannot understand or don't know the truth about it, we are the insane then! Rather limited minded ​

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I do believe it, rather more than this, I believe that the one who created them is incredibly greater than the universe ^^ actually, comparison between them is stupid, unacceptable, forgive me God, just wanted to clear something, love you my lord =) ​

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As you said, if, did I?​

Earth, universe whatever, Allah is the most important, these are temporary things, Allah can rub out them in a second if he wants, just as he can rub out a village or city when he wants to punish people, All this is his, he is the owner =)​

Peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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r33f3r_m4dn3ss​

Before the Churches people knew about Hell! how is it made up!​

Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Hikaru Zero​

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do you consider this attack hahaha I can't believe this hahaha​

hahaha Lord I just can't believe this help me Lord​

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Peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,​

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Libertine​

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very wrong ^^​

I keep holding on to rationality and logical proofs =)​

Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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r33f3r_m4dn3ss​

If there is God we have to know, Does he want us to worship him or not, start your own journey now ^^​

we don't know when we'll die​

so, Do not delay =)​

It is up to you​

Hell - paradise​

Best wishes​

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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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which is well and fine and you are welcome to feel that way and may even be right.

but the point is, my point anyway,
is that all a we know about Allah, or whatever else anyone may wish to call that about which no one knows anything other then that something greater then ourselves exists, is a
picture
of a cat, and not even a real picture,
though it may be of a real cat.

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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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HI , welcome back themnax ^^ really nice to see ya​

Is this a q? if so, no ​

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