Well I notice this forum is lacking something I feel it really needs. We all have moments in our trips that seem to be revelations at the time - but go on to be forgotten only a few hours later. We see and feel strange things, we meet entities, we go on strange journeys in the mind, there is a lot to see, and a lot to learn. The problem is we often get caught up in the pursuit of new information, rather than looking at the importance of the information in each trip - learning from it, and then applying it in a way that can benefit your life or the lives of others. So, I thought I'd make a thread for just that. You can be tripping, or sober, but post your thoughts here, it can just be a random nonsensical phrase that means a lot to you during this stage of a trip - maybe something you can look back to later and try to figure out, or an idea that you think could truly revolutionise the world and the way we think. Post anything, no matter how crazy, or strange - that you would like to discuss, think more in depth about, or simply remember from your trip. I would start the thread off with some tripping quotes but I'm sober at the moment and I don't have many of my old ones, so to start I'll just post some observations I've made while tripping: 2C-E - Octopus entity, seen/spoken to several times, felt compelled to (and did) draw an Octopus. Spoke in my mind, in English. 4-AcO-DMT - Seemingly elf-like entities, very mischievous, intelligent, found many of my thoughts very funny. Spoke aloud, in clicks and beeps, it was obvious that it was talking though because they responded to my thoughts and questions. I could understand the gist of it even though it wasn't a language I knew.
DMT Entities Analogy: I gave this analogy in another thread. If you've ever shined a flashlight around a cat or dog you will notice they chase the light projected as opposed to the actual object. Now pretend that the light was shaped like you. This is how I view Dmt entities, they appear to be like holographic projected cerebral light or something that we try to chase, interact with, etc. But the actual source seems well outside human reasoning and comprehension. Lower and higher cognitive processing Ive noticed on LSD and mescaline in particular but alot of other psychedelics as well there seems to be a sort of rift or slight disconnect between lower level processing mammalian sensations and higher level processing primate analytical thinking. For instance my body may feel cold when i know in my head I'm in a hot room. one of the more obvious ones is my body feel like its in danger (scared) but I can tell myself (repeatedly sometimes) I'm just tripping and there is no justified reason to be scared.
I saw my spirit guide the other day. Well, what I believe to be. I think all people have a small piece of god in them which gives them their personality and shapes them as a person and god was just a super-being that divided itself among everyone and that is where you get all the other gods and what not. Anywho, it's Ganesh Well, it looked like him. Ha.
I don't have anything to add at the moment, but I wanted to comment on the octopus. I know TopNotch has mentioned encountering an octopus entity on 2c-e, and I've seen one too, although that was on 4-aco. Interesting. I haven't really been able to conclude any profound symbolic meaning behind it, I just think octopi are cool animals. I also find it interesting that my brain chose to focus on an octopus figure since they're not necessarily my favorite animals and the thought of one wasn't fresh in my mind at the time. Actually, this reminds me of something relevant to the thread: my last trip on 2c-i, I watched a show called "Vampires From the Abyss" about the deep sea Vampire Squid that totally amazed me and really got me thinking about the fact that there are so many undiscovered species still out there and we really know shit about what's actually down there, yet we're concerned with going to the moon and finding life on Mars, etc. The amount that we still have to discover about our own planet is humbling to say the least. This vampire squid has survived millions of years of evolution and is actually a very highly evolved animal that has an extremely efficient hunting method. Yeah, I dunno, I'm a science/nature geek and it seemed a lot more profound at the time, but some of the magic is always lost in translation when you get back from tripping
Just thought of another tidbit from my last trip. For some time now, mostly in sober life, I've been experiencing moments of depersonalization. I didn't realize what it was at the time, didn't even know it's a fairly common occurrence, because the sensation is always somewhat vague and fleeting, although it's never unpleasant or anxiety inducing... it's actually quite pleasurable and happens most often when I'm feeling good. Also, I was never really able to verbalize how it felt until now. So it happened a few times during my last trip, this feeling of "watching myself from inside myself" and on one of the occasions my 2c-i filled head decided for some reason to focus on it and was able to slow down the moment and analyze it frame by frame almost. It was actually a very cool thing to experience. I don't think it means much, I just thought it was a cool thing to discover about myself. Now that I'm reading up on it, I'm surprised to know that it's usually caused by anxiety or panic attacks and is often an unpleasant experience because the person feels "out of control." For me, I do feel a sense of it being out of my control but more along the lines of me being on "auto pilot" and I'm usually pleasantly impressed with the resulting action that comes from it. Honestly, I feel at my most confident during these moments of depersonalization and I look forward to them on a daily basis
I've had some serious moments of depersonalization and it's certainly not all pleasurable but I do know what you are talking about. I remember sitting in class one day for a lecture and completely losing site of everyone in the room and the teacher but could still here his voice and just saw the room as one big kind of wave with very little color from this extremely detached vantage point behind myself. I enjoyed that one for some reason but I don't like it other times.
Wow, that doesn't sound much at all like my episodes, but cool nonetheless. I can sort of see how most people would find the experience unpleasant because there definitely is that aspect of it being out of your control, but I am a strange one to say the least and I respond/react to many things differently than most (MDMA comes to mind) Now that I'm reading some about it, I'm finding there are other aspects to it that all relate to the depersonalization but that I thought were separate issues for me. Wiki says: This, I definitely have encountered over the past year or so, especially after my car accident and/or Methylone use (and probably ditching my SSRI meds cold turkey), but had no idea that it all related. This aspect of it is not pleasurable at all, but I am learning to cope, and slowly and occasionally I am getting small glimpses of "how it used to be." My acid trip completely lifted this feeling, and for 12 hours, I lived life the way it felt before I ever touched a psych med.
That's cool, I dunno if i'll ever feel that sense of complete normalcy again, the anti psychotics I was prescribed for awhile did work but the side effects are simply just not worth it. I can cope with everyday life and possibly if I curtailed the hallucinogens I would recover a lot but I actually have gone on couple month stretches with no drug use at all and still had some of these effects. Definitely better than where I was though at one point.
Yeah, same here. Something that has come to my attention over the past few weeks and that concerns me a little is the fact that I feel more connected, even more sober in a way, when I'm tripping then when I'm actually sober. When reflecting on my sober life while tripping, I always get to thinking, what the fuck am I doing in my life? And feel that I'm slowly losing my mind (actually, not tripping). But perhaps that's just me trippin' teh ballz.
Is this 'depersonalization' a feeling like you're just going through the motions but not really interested? Are you forcefully separated from your body or is it just imagining/daydreaming while having enough of your brain focused on the task at hand. Many people will drive long distances or a route they have traveled often (Home from work) and when they get home not really remember anything about the trip. I understand that feeling where when you're high you can get really depressed because you assess your life and think of ways that you've wasted it in the past. I do that high or not, but when I'm high it just seems like it's more heart wrenching.
I have more of a detached perspective from the body. I've never had that looking down on myself, 3rd person view of the body even on drugs but its more if like my conscious mind slid from front and center of my head to like the back of it. It almost feels like when your eyes are crossed or something. Its not like daydreaming really but I guess there is a sort of going through the motions sensation, It feels as if my physical body is robotic and programmed going through the motions often. I sense like my breath as if it weren't mine, like its seems like when someone is laying next to you and breaths really close to you.
