The New Age - A Pathway to Paradise ? (1983)

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by magic_rocks, Jun 27, 2013.

  1. magic_rocks

    magic_rocks ٱللهِ ٱلرّ

    I found this awesome Chicago WCFC TV documentary from 1983 that explores the rising New Age social phenomenon. From a cultural, anthropological point of view, this is extremely interesting, and for my own person reasons, as over the years I've been directly exposed to these kinds of people, often cruelly misled. I was never in a cult or anything like that, but certain people I deeply respected, admired and looked up to (again, not as a 'guru' but simply as 'spiritually higher) turned out to be deeply delusional and into some seriously bizarre shit. Benjamin Creme is a prime example, because although I've never taken a word he said seriously, I did discover (afterwards) that a meditation group I participated, by invitation from a truly great person, was designed to call forth 'energy' from group efforts to 'summon the ascended masters', probably 'of Light' or some bullshit like that. At the time, I felt deeply betrayed by said friend, and being that it was Aura's first group meditation experience, and one that she walked away from immensely joyously, I also felt deeply hurt. I realize now that my friends intentions were most likely genuine and purely naive, and likewise the rest of the group, but it is crazy how this shit still goes on and people buy into it naively, hoping to find belonging or spiritual fulfillment, &c. Also, when the logo comes up near the beginning, it kind of sounds to me like Vangelis '77 album 'Spiral' although it's been years since I've heard it and so cannot yet confirm this. Anyway, whatever your views on the New Age are, this documentary is awesome, and very funny.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0RRDOh6EM"]The New Age - A Pathway to Paradise ? (1983) - YouTube
     
  2. Lodog

    Lodog ¿

    I'll check it out and give you my opinion later rocks.
     
  3. desert-rat

    desert-rat Senior Member

    Not every new ager is a creep or werdo . You might check out this site , run by a guy in Phoenix AZ . http://www.aznewage.com/
     
  4. magic_rocks

    magic_rocks ٱللهِ ٱلرّ

    Ok, great! I'd love to be able to discuss the film, or the New Age movement as a whole. It's something I have a lot of experience with by association, and something which I have very conflicting feelings about. This documentary is a perfect joy to behold though, because of the time that it came out; whether someone is interested in the topic is almost secondary, because it is a visual feast.
     
  5. magic_rocks

    magic_rocks ٱللهِ ٱلرّ

    I don't assume they are all predators, in fact I'm probably more of a weirdo than most. I just assume they are largely misguided by people with ulterior motives.
     
  6. Piaf

    Piaf Senior Member

    It is definitely no pathway to paradise.
     
  7. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    I don't have time to watch all that right now, but I kept up with the movement almost from the beginning, and spent some time working in a New Age store.

    Like every other new spiritual movement, it was started by extremists, and the teachings of extremists always get watered down by the masses as a movement grows and becomes more mainstream.

    I don't know if the film mentions this or not, but quite a few of the original New Age leaders relocated from San Francisco to Asheville, NC, and a number of their hardcore followers moved with them. Some of their children are now the young hippies and flower children and metalheads you can find downtown on a typical day, especially on North Lexington Avenue and around Battery Park and Pack Square.

    These days, regular customers in a New Age store are likely to be just as interested in the teachings of Buddha and Tao as they are in the offerings of 'pure' New Age authors and seminar leaders. Wiccan (Celtic) dragons and Hindu Ganesh figures outsell New Age crystals and pyramids in the stores. New Age has almost evolved into a blanket term covering all those who are open to spiritual experiences and enlightenment from any possible source.

    Whenever someone becomes disillusioned with a particular New Age teacher, the standard advice for them to hear from their like-minded friends is to broaden their perspective by looking at a much wider variety of influences, and not pour so much of their spiritual energy into one person who is trying to sell a book or fill seminar sessions. I think you can't go wrong with studying the fundamental teachings of Buddha, from a Zen perspective. That's the cornerstone I keep coming back to. That stuff has withstood the test of time.
     
  8. desert-rat

    desert-rat Senior Member

  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    I agree with Karen.

    There are a few "modern" sources of spiritual insights, but by far there are more misdirected and misdirecting ones.
    I tend to stay away from "New Age" stores and book sections as they are heavily into superficial things and ideas.

    Other than Alan Watts, D.T. Suzuki, Ken Wiber, Ram Dass,Thich Nhat Hanh, and a few others; I like to try to read original works (translations).

    In the old days I had a few friends who would go to The Pyramid Zen Society to listen to Richard Rose, but I considered it a waste of time after corresponding with him, on the grounds that he had set up his own shop and method of dispensing Truth, which I thought was contrary in itself.
    He ended up getting into a battle with the Hari Krishnas down at the
    Prabhupada's Palace of Gold which is itself, now in a bad state of repair.
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    D Rat you need to post some of the things you talk about on those sites over in Philo, as it has been extremely dull over there recently and I get tired of all the Christian, anti Christian stuff.

    Also Islam, anti Islam.
     
  11. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Yep, that's how it gets pictured by the majority including me since the first time I heard of the term 'new age'. Always seemed like a blanket term to me. Same with 'pagan' often for the majority. I always wonder what kind of paganism people are into when they tell they are pagan and always am dissappointed when they proclaim it's just in general, no specific form.
     
  12. desert-rat

    desert-rat Senior Member

    If you mean the Pavlina forum , hip is a different group . There are simular forums to pavlina . Not a forum but Erin's site is still there . http://www.erinpavlina.com/ New age is used for the lack of a better phrase . All kind of belief systems fit in to that term . If you scroll down on this link to new age . http://www.aznewage.com/dictionary_n.htm
     
  13. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Depending on where a person lives, it may be your best local place to find anything related to Eastern religions and philosophies. The only thing you will never find in any New Age store is material from any of the world religions that claim, "Our way is the only way, and anyone who disagrees is going to Hell."

    Ask random people on the street, and many fundamentalists will tell you that a New Age individual is a self-proclaimed spiritual person who rejects the One Truth. Or something that means the same thing.

    Even in Asheville, it's getting hard to find a 'pure' New Age store.

    If I was writing a dictionary definition of 'pagan', my first definition would be a spiritual person who rejects the idea that there is only one true religion, which all must follow, or else face punishment from god. The second definition would be the specific set of beliefs most commonly associated with pre-Christian societies in western Europe. The word is used in both ways almost equally. Some distinguish between them with the uppercase P: pagan versus Pagan.
     
  14. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Karen,

    True, about the New Age stores.
    I do look in the New Age sections of the few bookstores left as you never know what will turn up there.

    Desert,

    I meant post some ideas or things you have found, learned, or question, not sites.
    The Philosophy forum here at HF is really lacking in people willing to discuss anything other than Christianity and Islam.
     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    I actually watched this documentary years ago online.

    I have a lot to say about the New Age movement, but I don't have the energy at the moment. Basically, the New Age is the same as the New World Order. It all about creating a deliberate consciousness shift in society, and not necessarily for the better.

    The New Age is another toxic religion like all the others. It's about mass manipulation.
     
  16. desert-rat

    desert-rat Senior Member

    There may be a few new agers with an agenda , most are just doing there own thing . Its a mixed lot , people , beliefs , ect . Most people are too locked into there belief system to follow any thing out side it . I dont think there is realy a new age movement . I do think there are a few people that are a bit more open minded . On my posts , I will see what I can come up with , I do need to keep them with in the context of this forum . There are other forums where such things are discussed .
     

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