The National Initiative - (Power to the People)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by def zeppelin, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    The National Initiative - http://www.ni4d.us /


    "The National Initiative includes a constitutional amendment and a federal statute that equips the people with the central power of government, lawmaking. As lawmakers, the people in every government jurisdiction of the United States become a new Check in our system of Checks and Balances designed to control the abuses of government. Representative government remains unaltered except for the partnership established between the people and their elected legislators."

    This will pretty much allow U.S. citizens to make laws, but does not change how the representational government works. It just adds a 4th part to our checks and balances.

    There is a short audio commentary to better explain the concept behind this. It is a pretty short listen.

    If you have the time, please vote for or against the National Initiative - You can do this by going to the website posted above- And if you are for the National Initiative, please tell others about this.

    Actually, do this regardless if you voted against this. Allow others to decide, as well.

    Thanks.

     
  2. def zeppelin

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    I'm kind of shocked that this hasn't gotten the attention that this deserves.
     
  3. WalkerInTheWoods

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    We already have checks and balances that are blatantly ignored. Why would those in power not just ignore this as well?
     
  4. def zeppelin

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    It's up to us to pass this. If they get 50,000,000 votes, then it becomes law of the land. I suggest that you actually goto the site and find out more about it.

    Most of the people that are against this never even goto the site, or try to think about what it implies and what it can actually do for us.
     
  5. WalkerInTheWoods

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    I am not against this. I have no opinion of it as of yet. I need to look at it more. But what I am saying, and asking, is, have you read the US Constitution? Those in power already ignore checks that are in this document. They don't care about any laws and rights. While this initiative might be a good thing, it could just be more ink on paper to be ignored. We should start holding our elected officials accountable to what is already there. Otherwise adding more checks is not going to help.
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Exactly when executive powers can negate the power of the constitution the right to inniative will have little power.
     
  7. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    america is a republic not a democracy, this thing looks like it would institue a national "majority rule" system. makes me nervous as majority rule generally turns very quickly into "tryanny by the majority".
     
  8. def zeppelin

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    This wouldn't replace the system; It would only add to it, so the majority rule won't have that much power. Everything on top is untouched, and remains doing what it does. If there is anything unconstitutional, then it would be stopped by the Supreme Court.

    We already have a state initiative in place within many states, already, and it seems to being a good job.
     
  9. Shane99X

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    so it's majority rule at the state level then? how is that much better?
     
  10. def zeppelin

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    It's not exactly majority rule if the majority rule doesn't have that much power; It all balances itself out. All I ask is that you read a little bit into this on their site.
     
  11. Shane99X

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    at cursory glance it seems promising, but i'll need to read a bit further, it sounds very radical, but not in a bad way, who knows it might do some good. Basically it seems to be making a 4th branch of federal governemtn that is basically mad up of voter initiatives.
     
  12. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    good idea, I voted yes.
     
  13. def zeppelin

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    Yup.

    Mike Gravel is backing up this idea, and is a strong believer of social evolution. Gravel believes that the people are ready to have some responsibility, and this responsibility is a step in the right direction.
     
  14. crankyelbow

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    I don't think preparation is/was needed... just education.

    Given the power, people have no excuse to not get involved.

    Everyone has a voice, but few speak.
     
  15. def zeppelin

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    Exactly.

    This will give the common citizen the incentive to not only learn more about politics, but to get more involved.
     
  16. Xac

    Xac Visitor

    From what you've written (no i am not going to bother with the site, as i am not an American) it sounds like a return to true demokratia.
     
  17. def zeppelin

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    No, not really. It wouldn't be true demokratia, because of everything else that continues to remain untouched within the US government.

    I know you aren't an American. But if you read through the site, you would know that it isn't a true demokratia - It just isn't.

    Does it sound like it? Ya, part of it, it does. But IS it a true demokratia, nope.
     
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