The Inevitable

Stop trying to stop what you can't.

Now here in Canada, southern mind you, we finally got our first snowfall that lasted for more than 3 hours, but it will probably melt by morning.

Now I know the planet is slowly dying because of us, but you know what? It's going to die eventually anyway, why do so many people care? Please, tell me why you care.

For future generations? Hey, I care as much as anyone about my future kids and the world they'll be living in, but at the same time, I am realistic about it, within the next 50 years don't be surprised if space exploration becomes as common as oranges, seriously, either that or get ready for a world war III, we need it.

All those hippies out there praying for world peace, it ain't gonna happen, and if your solution to our population problem is for people to have less children, you're just crazy, or not thinking straight.

How is it that for so many years, the world population seemed stable, it stayed around the same, but sometime after the 17th Century, our population kept growing, and growing and growing and the last 50 years have been unbelievable. You know why? Less desease, less major wars, and people are living longer.

It is because of us, our fear of death and trying to avoid it to the last breathe, in 50 years the average age of Europeans will be 55, not good, it will be that way because Europeans are having less and less kids, however, if they have more, it will have a negative impact anyway, humanity has nowhere to run.

What we need is another world war, and at the same time, to search for a way off this planet, it's humanity's only chance, peace is going to kill us.


Now I don't want raging hippies to start " educating " me, users who agree that we have to find a quick fix or die, please respond.

 

it WILL be fixed. At least it can be. The Earth will not be "dying eventually anyway"...

You dont want to listen to me, and so i wont post more. But i know change can be made, and that "the Earth dying anyway" is complete bullshit

I also know we can have fun whilst knowing all of the above. The need for a "quick fix" can be met, sensibly, and humanely

 

The end will come, all except Dark Matter ( which I believe is the most likely concept of God ) will die, of course, not all at once, when our planet dies, there will be billions of planets that will continue life.

Earth is just a planet, one planet, just like the bible is a book, one book.

Why do so many people care about death? When a significant person dies, there are rememberances, mournings, but honestly, death is death, everything dies, life is short, enjoy it, but don't let it consume you.

 

I actually happen to compltely agree about death. People do make an unnecessary fuss, as to me death is just a transition. But this is understandable, as the truth is we dont really know what death will bring, we can just have ideas...

However, for us living on Earth right now time is about Life, not death. I seriously doubt the Earth itself will be doing any dying, at least not for the next few God knows how many years...as for God, the planet Earth etc, we really, seriously need to stop thinking about these things in human terms. Seriously. "The Earth was born and so it must die"...thats a human concept. We have observed "life" and "death" in human beings, plants and animals and have transfered this theory into areas where it does not belong. God does not follow human rules. And as i already said, what we view as "death" could very well just be transition

And so we see our beautiful planet and fellow creatures in danger and we Love and struggle to save it. This is natural and is doing good. All theory aside, if i see a tree being chopped down or a bunny being tortured or a child being abused or polar bears homes melting and the planet diminishing, im going to take action

 

The melting of the ice. Nobody takes it serious, that is why the ice will melt one day. Tomorrow or for a 1000 years from now.

 

Why would anyone torture a bunny? I'd just shoot it.

The first step to conquering death is to not fear it.

We shouldn't fear the earth going to hell, it is inevitable, humanity will destroy itself, it is our flaw. We all basically hate each other so we try to compete against each other, and this will eventually destroy us.

If I see the horrible future coming, I'll just shoot myself, I sugest the same for you if you start to see your dream for a better tommorow go up in smoke, suicide isn't as bad as society makes it out to be.

 

I cannot stop my neighbors from tossing their trash along our road. But if I simply allow it to lay there, it piles up and looks very bad. People run over things and get flat tires. If no one ever came along and tried to clean it up it would begin to look like a dump. It would breed mosquitoes and flies.

We happen to be here. And as long as we are here we need to try to keep things in such manner as it takes in order to live reasonably well. Do we shit in our living rooms or our beds? No? Then why would we simply sit by and allow our environment to be destroyed by others? It is called having hope. It is a human emotion.

Space exploration would be far superior to war exploration. We already know that war is no answer to anything.

Is it the actual praying that bothers you or the fact that it's not WW3 they are praying for? MOST humans want to enjoy life. They want to be happy. They don't WANT to feel powerless. So they do things that make them feel just a little more in control over their lives/environment, even if it's only in their own little world (mind/body). And less children would be a start, but it ain't gonna happen, so that's just an impossible to prove theory.

The evils of modern medicine. It does not matter. In nature, overcrowding of a species eventually leads to death one way or another. War does not need to become an issue. We are, as a human species, breeding ourselves into extinction with modern medicine. That's probably called evolution of the species.

Max, I'm TRYING to understand your thought process and reasoning, I really am. But in one sentence you have declared that we NEED war to kill off some of humanity while at the same time expressing your concern for humanity's wellbeing and your distaste of being killed. I fail to catch your logic.
And aren't you really placing too much value on human life as far as our relationship with the earth is concerned? This earth would do far better without humans! We are like ticks on a dog. The human mind invents human importance.
But at the same time, what do you suppose the odds really are that your PARTICULAR seed of conciousness, that thing that makes you you and not somebody or something else, would come into existance in this particular way and in this particular space and time? The odds of that actually happening are probably not measurable by any standard. So one can only deduce that to EXIST is an unimaginably BIG DEAL. So the greatest question is, will you take it for granted?
Humanity's only chance is to GET SMART and learn to live in harmony with the earth that supports it and in harmony with each other, whether they are here on earth or on some distant planet.

Unfortunately, you just never know who will be lurking around here, wrong side of the tracks and all. Is a "raging hippy" something like a "flaming faggot"? I'm not sure if it's physically possible to respond to someone with questions of this nature and disagree without being perceived as trying to "educate" someone.

 

I see what you're getting at but human nature is to exploit what we can until there's nothing more to exploit, it's been proven that many moons in our solar system have all the raw materials we need, and we can use the moon Europa to build a colony ( the only things to battle is the intense cold, the moon itself is very stable and has sufficient water, however it is frozen ).

Sure it is, it answers who lives and who dies, it answers who takes over who, it's our damn nuclear technology that's put a hault on conventional war which kept our numbers in check.

Yeah, so do I, but if I get to a point in my life where I have to face hardship and little prospect for the future, I will just shoot myself, people have to stop caring so much about life.

I love reading about the times of the Vikings when only the strong survived, ( I take History as a minor ) it really did make sense, why can't people understand that when a person is to die, they SHOULD die.

I just think we should start off on other planets/moons with a smaller population, and less diversity, diversity just creates chaos.

Yes, that is a good comparison, however I don't care if " flaming faggots " respong to this thread trying to educate me, as long as they aren't hippies, just that on this perticulair issue I already know what a hippie is going to say, I don't want to hear the same arguement on this issue from a wide variety of people, one thing that I've learned on this forum is that hippies tend to think relatively the same.

I thank you for your response though, you don't seem to be a raging hippie, at least not like some people on here so I respect your opinion.

 

Thousands of bunnies are tortured daily...perhaps by the companies that made your handwash, or by misguided children, or misguided adults, or people making coats, or people who simply do not know better. You should look into it

 

people who go onto thread sites like this one only to bash the point in the first place to get a rise out of us make me sad.
run on sentence much?
yesm.

 

if life isn't so great then why are you still here maximus?

you don't agree with combating overpopulation, yet you support war so it can answer who gets to live. you contradict your self a lot man. diversity creates chaos, yet all hippies think the same... hmmmm.

chaos is the one true way. celebrating diversity instead of fearing it is more productive. homogenous society is boring, everything is exactly the same. when you try to force people into the same mold, they will seek to break free because of their human spirt of curiosity.

you want only a quick-fix, or a mass extinction. the middle ground (reality) is that there is no quick-fix. there are solutions that require a lot of hard work. the people prepared to do this work are those raging hippies that you despise. you sound pretty lazy, man. we live in a world of subtleties, not childish certainties.

if you don't feel like replying, just shoot yourself. there's obviously nobody who would care about you being gone, otherwise you might think it was a stupid idea. you could start a cult, either they commit mass suicide or mine resources from distant moons. nothing in between is tolerated.

 

Well here's the dilemma for me about life, the life in which we live is filled with many ways we can waste time until our deaths, yet we try to prevent our deaths so we can waste more time until we die.

You see, I've come to the conclusion that I have two options, to kill myself and no longer live in this turmoil, or, continue to live until I die, you see, neither is good, if I die I free myself of any thought and all the crap that goes on, however I in many ways enjoy the crap that is our world, I like wasting time till my death ( wasting time as in trying to become a lawyer so I will be able to waste time in a more wholesome way that I can enjoy wasting time, because anything you do is just wasting time anyway ).

All I can hope is that death will come to me out of nowhere, I will not see it coming, getting hit by a car on the side and dying instantly can be seen as a blessing, or as I suggest mass war, that'd be good too.

So I hope now you understand my view point, and right now at this very moment that I am typing away, I am wasting time, it's wonderfully idiotic how life works isn't it? If you let it, the world we live in can make you go insane, it's a terrible thing thinking too much about how life works.

I hope to eventually become a lawyer and defend the guilty, not rapists, any other kind though will suit me.

I hope you understand now where I'm coming from, saving the earth is a waste of time, for in many ways it is already gone, there is no way to save it, it will eventually die and humanity will die with it, unless humanity can find another planet etc I've already stated this.

Why can't people just find better ways of wasting life? Huh? Why do hippies have to waste their time by annoying us? Waiting for death to come is already an annoying itch I have, why do I have to hear about all this environmental bs and what I can and can not wear and do? Huh?

Yeah, a flaming hypocrisy, damn hippies.

 

Really good news for the "environment": A bus load of lawyers (including the driver) goes over a cliff and everyone dies. The bad news: there were three empty seats.

 

But Max, if you see it as all a waste of time no matter what you are doing, then why differentiate between how YOU waste time and how someone ELSE wastes time, as it doesn't matter anyhow? Besides, the concept of WASTING time doesn't really exist, as time could give a shit what you do with it. You can WASTE food, as in tossing it in the trash can, or you can WASTE money, as in buying rounds for everybody in the bar. But wasting time is not even a real thing, unless you waste so much of it that it causes you trouble, as in screwing off rather than getting your firewood in, and then going cold.... But if you feel like your LIFE is a waste (of time), then where do you find even the motivation to get out of bed in the morning let alone go to school? I would hope to never have to depend on a lawyer whith this philosophy, as he would probably not feel enough motivation to help me because it's just all a waste of time anyhow. I truely believe with all my heart that you are suffering from some type of depression. You know, you don't have to go thru life feeling like that.

Anyhow, without all these "damn hippys" thayt you detest so much that you just can't stay away from them, what would you then do to waste this piece of alloted hippy bashing time? Easy enough to bash people who have a propensity towards pacifism and compassion. Something like getting enjoyment out of kicking the type of dog that rolls over and pees on itself and wags it's tail when kicked. If you truely feel it's just all a waste of time anyhow, then why can't YOU find some better and less negative ways of wasting yours?

 

First off, there's no such thing as a depression, that's just an excuse people have come up with for being sorry for themselves.

Second, there's no such thing as right and wrong, it's just our perception, and I percieve many things as right which are by law in Canada illegal, such as torture punishment for convicted rapists, I believe rape should carry a sentence of 50 years with no chance of parole and torture punishment, there can be an excuse for murder, but never for rape. I guesse things like that " motivate " me.

Hippies annoy me because they interfere with me and my friends' lives. Hippies are the ones trying to get rid of smoking, alcohol, leather, good cars, etc. Groups like PETA just plain piss me off, part of the reason why I want to become lawyer is to hopefully oen day abolish groups such as PETA, it's a long shot I know, but, that's what gets me up every morning.

 

you use the word "hippies" in reference to a very broad group of people. most of the anti-alcohol crusaders are hardcore christian, hardly what i'd call hippies. you use that word as a label to refer to anyone who disagrees with you.

also, you don't understand depression. the brain is essentially chemistry. if you put chemicals in (THC, LSD, etc.) you will alter your mind. by the same logic, if there is a deficiency of serotonin, you will feel unhappy. your thoughts play a part but it is an oversimplification to say that depressed people need to "just cheer up".

your attitude about the pointlessness of doing anything to preserve the environment just comes across as lazy. it's true, the planet will be roasted when the sun explodes, by that time we'll probably be gone. by your logic, if i cut my hand and it got infected, i wouldn't bother to do anything about it because i'm going to die anyway. eventually the gangrene would kill me, or i'd need an amputation. but why wait until it was that bad to go to a doctor? and the pain? i guess i'd just ignore that too.

you're right: good and evil does not exist. the only right and wrong is the one in your head. if you treat other people the "right" way (how you would like to be treated), you will usually be treated the same. respect is a two way street.

life is what we make it. if you want existence to be a fruitless excersize, then it will be. if i want to live in a clean country, i'll be concerned about issues like industrial pollution. it's a pretty basic concept. some philosophies require hard work, others fulfill themselves.

if you want to continue watching the clock until your life stops, keep doing what you're doing. if you get tired of the countdown, focus on the NOW and do something productive. by productive, i mean something based on positive energy, not your own negativity towards someone else's philosophy. time only exists if you want it to.

and man, please. condoning torture is very immature and degrades you to the level of whoever you think deserves to be tortured. peace.

 

REAL depression is a chemical imbalance, a PHYSICAL illness. It IS real, and a person suffering from it CANNOT control it no matter what they do. Any more than you could control a migraine headache without the proper meds. And an AWFUL LOT of the time, people who suffer from the chemical imbalance form of true depression do not even REALIZE that is what is going on, because their minds are not working right. So they tend to blame everything on others and throw around bad attitudes in their false beliefs.


There would be no such thing as right and wrong if there were no people on the planet interacting with each other, but in order for people to live together there has to be some semblance of order or things would be totally chaotic, and the concept of right and wrong is basically what makes life tolerable or even possible. So, "right and wrong" have been around as long as humans have.

You show by your posts that you really know nothing about "hippys". Have you had your eyes closed? Do you suppose that you and your "friends" are the only people on earth who deserve to have what you want, and everything should revolve around your desires? Sorry, but if you insist on LIVING at all, then you have to SHARE. The only other option would be to become a hermit out in the sticks somewhere away from anyone else, but then you STILL would not always have things your way. It is impossible to be alive and not have to make some concessions somewhere.

I'm as "hippy" as you can get. I DON'T believe in banning smoking, or alcohol, or leather, or "good cars". I do believe in having respect for others. So if someone does not like cig smoke, you shouldn't smoke around them, that's all. And if someone does not like drunks, don't force it on them, easy. That's how people get along for petes sake! There will always be stuff made out of leather. As long as people eat meat, why waste it? It would be less "hippy" to throw it away. Oh yea, you think everything is a waste anyhow...

Seriously, MAX, and yo may not like it, but I am a very perceptive person, and I can see by the way you write and express yourself, opinions aside, that you have not mastered the art of using your intellect. Your lack of education is showing, glaringly. Your lack of common sense, which is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than book learning, is apparent. Your lack of being able to grasp even the simple concepts of how life and human nature work is very sad. And all this combined with an apparent obsession with trying to make yourself into something special (in whose eyes?) by putting others down who you seem to have absolutely nothing in common with...... My biggest question in all of this is WHY? What in the world has happened to you in your short life to make you so miserable? Were you raped by something that LOOKED like a "hippy" or something? You are so full of hate and misery!

Hey, I was raped once, a LONG time ago. And my ANGER leads me to say, cut off his dick! But the guy actually ended up leading a miserable life, in and out of jail for numerous things, he's been paying his dues ever since, and I did not have to do a thing.... THAT is the way life works.

 

the kid just has no idea what he's talking about.
let him make a fool of himself.
anyone having done ten minutes of research would find that all his opinions (which he states as facts) are far from feasable.

so let him talk out of his ass and waste his time arguing on the internet.
is there a way to just delete this thread?

 

Yea, we figured out a long time ago that he either had to be putting us on or else he had some serious problems, but, hey, I'll talk to him, long as I can be REAL.


Max, Answer some questions, buddy. I'll make it easy...

1. Are you happy?
2. What kind of things make you happy?
3. What kinds of things make you SAD - Not angry, but SAD. As in the kind of things that might make a person cry.*
4. What are you afraid of?

3 & 4 are especially important questions. We have ALL heard and are quite familiar with what makes you angry and what you DON'T like. So we don't need to go there.

*A person CANNOT feel true sadness unless they are capable of love.

Just answer those simple questions. 1,2,3,&4. Be honest. Let us see your HUMAN side for once. We would all be seriously relieved to know that you FEEL anything besides negative emotions. Give us some understanding! Because if you don't, then no one will ever take you seriously. And being a lawyer is ALL ABOUT getting people to take you seriously! You MUST develope your ability to grasp and understand human nature, or you will never be able to work a jury. You MUST gain some semblance of "caring" or you will NEVER make a successful lawyer whom ANYONE would want to hire!!!

 

I was reading your response with an open mind until you stated this. If I lack education then how the hell did I graduate from High School and get into University? Hmmmmm, I guesse I'm just lucky

I'm sorry smart lady.