The Fear

I'm sure you've felt it. What is The Fear to you?

For me, i've only felt It once, on DPT of course haha. It was characterized by an extremely alien feeling and profound disconnection from the world. I felt I had learned the knowledge I wasn't suppose to know and I would forever be burdened with it. I felt a qauntum realization that everything, my friends, the goverent, even my MUSIC was all fake and part of a construct of my mind and I would forever feel infinitely alone never able to derealize this. Then the aliens would be watching and I would be a wandering aimless lonely soul, nothing and everything. But then I became sober and all was well as I tried to understand. Lol.

Now you.

 

it was similar to SOME of what you said

but in my own words, it was that i had just tripped too far. it was on ~20mg (+/- 5mg maybe) 2ce. when the 2ce was well developed, i had taken a few too many bong hits...coupled with pink floyed music that was TOO loud....i just felt majorly confused. which is expected, but it was just a terrifying way. i felt like i'd never be normal again, pictured having to tell my family and gf, not being able to work in lab or go to school, not be able to interact with society at all. and my friend and i could barely communicate, we just kept sayign, this is "SOO weird!,"
i felt like a burnout
but all these thoughts occured in like 45-100 seconds
then i was just like "i'll be sober in the morning. all i can do is see how i feel in the mornign"
and i had a great trip the rest of the night

 

The only fear I have had was probably from a buildup of THC in my system because I was just vaporizing which gets more THC to other cannabinoid ratio (other cannabinoids have anxiolytic effect; fight anxiety) for years and after I vaporized more I would feel some fear. I guess it was my body telling me I had to do something else for a little bit. I do not get the fear again.

I think the fear is your body saying something should be different.

In the case of acute fear from one substance, one time, I would imagine that is personal psychological anxiety, and if it is as well as if it is not, this should be reduced over time whether it is from a repeated dose or from discontinuation of use, both of which should reduce the anxiety you feel because of psychological and physiological adjustment.

My guess is the human body is much more adaptable (that's the winning trait of evolution that home sapiens possesses that differnetiates it from every other species known) than we know and things will get better over time whether the same thing happens or it doesn't.

 

one of the first time i smoked marijuana, i was feeling alot of anxiety at that time (cuz i had finals coming up in like two weeks). i took like 2-3 hits then "The Fear" hit me. i was feeling so freaked out about my grades and that all my teachers were gonna find out and that they'd flunk me. So i just like "I got teh fearz!" and left.

 

Yea, part of it may be psychological, in fact that has a huge impact, and there is evidence that psychological distress causes neurological damage, so the mind can affect the physical chemistry.

But I think with something like Cannabis, the psychological might make up 65% of the fear while 35% is physical, and sometimes beneficial and enjoyed.

With something like DPT, however, it sounds like maybe 65 or 75% is physiological, or maybe psychological because of the intensity of it, which then in turn can become physiological. Is there anything more intense than DPT? This could be the model for psychological/physiological anxiety differentiation.

 

the first time i tried a RC was last year, i tried 2c-i, around 25mg, and everything was fine and dandy till i started to come up strong, everything was super beautiful and cool and i felt great and then all of a sudden my vision was filled with visuals i had never seen, that started to scare me. and i also took the 2c at someones house that i didnt konw, so im sure the strange/bad set and setting was part of this reaction. After the new visuals were present i started to dive into this mental hole were i was lost in for a while in super fear/anxiety and did not like the exerience at all. other times ive done 2ci though, i have barely felt it at all, or not at all. its weird.

everyobdy always tells me that it is so weird i had a bad experience on 2c-i since its "so" fun and stuff. but idk, that was that. ive also thought if it was something else??? but idk, that trip certainly changed my life.

 

not really sure what this "the fear" is. fear of letting go?

 

i know what you're talking about it...i got it on dpt for a minute or 2, but i've gotten it the worst on too much weed.

 

The fear is subjective... Whatever thought or feeling while tripping that was absolutely shattering to you. Idk writer, whatever fucked up psychedelic revelation that scared you shitless crying and begging for it to end.

And I honestly cannot understand what must be going on in te minds of people who can't handle weed... It's an anxiolytic for Christ sake, you do it to CHILL not to trip and freak out.

 

I've never really experienced "the fear" but, oddly, I want to.

 

IT's all about your mentality, I was in a bad state of mind. And I didn't completly freak out I was just kinda paranoid and stuff. But now i Just take it easy.

 

I like that "crazy" feeling when I'm tripping. I'm always listening to the most fukt up satanic music when I'm tripping and looking at scary things, just to try and increase the intensity and perhaps freak myself out a little bit. It's always fun to push the limits

 

Hell, I even went to the dentist during the ass-end of a 27mg 2ci trip. lol No fear, but it was certainly interesting and I was somewhat tense.

 

like many psychedelics, cannabis has paradoxical effects, in that it can both calm you and create terrifying symptoms of psychosis like raging paranoia and delusions.

This is because while THC acts on the cannabinoid system, which calms your brain like GABA drugs (alcohol and benzos), it also acts to increase dopamine levels in the brain, which is precisely how schizophrenia operates.

This is why crack/meth/coke heads are so liable to violence and delusions, those drugs flood their brain with dopamine as well, which is our "meaning" chemical. When you have too much "meaning" in things, you may think someone meant something nasty when they say something innocuous, or you may think that guy on the corner has been following you for a while now, or you may think that you are jesus christ. It just depends on lots of factors, one of which is your dopamine balance.

I am aware of one study which shows THC in fact does not affect dopamine levels, but that it still, through some action (probably a complex global process imo), causes an increase in objectively measurable psychosis symptoms in healthy users. These symptoms only last for the duration of the effects of THC, but as we all know, those effects can become permanent.

(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19539765)

cannabis use is linked with a 600% increased likelihood of emerging symptomatic schizophrenia.



Nothing has given me as much anxiety as cannabis, not even DPT. DPT is a different fear though. Cannabis is like, "Shit, my parents will know that i'm high and this is going to be very awkward! Oh no!". DPT is more like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

 

to me -
the fear is the subjective ego expressing it's futility and hopelessness in the struggle against the increasingly overpowering universal consciousness.
Fear is the destroyer of the mind.
And that can be a good thing or a bad thing.

 

that's only an increase from 5 out of 1000, to 30/1000
half a percent chance to 3% chance
actually that's pretty bad...

 

Different trips can create different definitions of fear. One substance may cause a person to fear their thoughts and/or losing their sanity, as well as fearing their past/present/future failures, misfortunes, etc and over-concentrating on those thoughts. Other substances may create fear of physical symptoms, such as hypertension or organ failure, for example. lol

 

Yeah dude I totally know what you mean, cannabis gives me 10x more social anxiety and paranoia in general, but at the same time it DOES relax me if I'm in a good setting alone (in my room chilling to music with no parents home at all). It has to be one of the drugs that effects people differently the most.

DPT is more of a fear for yourself/dying on the comeup, while you still CAN worry about that.



And about that link you just provided, keep in mind that its from a government website so you can't instantly believe it

 

Yeah honestly if cannabis is likely to cause schizophrenia (trigger, never create) then wow man what the fuck do you think psyches will do to you lol... Yo just need to realize being high doesn't mean anything other than you're high and need to chill lol. Can't be any more awkward than being caught masturbating haha...

 

Cannabis is worth schizophrenia:sifone: