The fall of the American empire

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  1. bird_migration

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    Money, possessions and responsibility are given way too much credit. Kids shouldn't be taught that happiness comes from driving a big car.
     
  2. Sig

    Sig Senior Member

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    Indeed I have. My issue with that particular post, however, was its attempt to use wikipedia as a legitimate source to prove a point.
     
  3. Sig

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    Agreed. Good thing most, in my experience, aren't taught that.
     
  4. bird_migration

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    Loosely using those terms in absence of a better word.
     
  5. bird_migration

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    I admit that Wikipedia is not always the most reliable source. But then again, what source is legitimate and reliable?
     
  6. Sig

    Sig Senior Member

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    There are plenty of books out there, as well as peer reviewed articles online.
     
  7. odonII

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    To be fair, It's from:

    ^ George Thomas Kurian (1997). The encyclopedia of the Republican Party. Sharpe. pp. 91. ISBN 978-1-56324-729-3.
    ^ However, regarding "American rule in Cuba", the 1898 Teller Amendment had mandated that the U.S. could not annex Cuba but only leave "control of the island to its people." After Spanish troops left the island in December 1898, the United States occupied Cuba until 1902 and, as promised in the Teller Amendment, did not attempt to annex the island. Under the Platt Amendment, crafted in 1901 by U.S. Secretary of War Elihu Root to replace the Teller Amendment, however, important decisions of the government of Cuba remained subject to override by the United States. This suzerainty bred resentment toward the U.S.
    ^ a b Lens, Sidney; Zinn, Howard (2003) [1971]. The Forging of the American Empire. London: Pluto Press. ISBN 0-7453-2100-3.
    ^ Field, James A., Jr. (June 1978). "American Imperialism: The Worst Chapter in Almost Any Book". The American Historical Review 83 (3): 644–668. doi:10.2307/1861842. JSTOR 1861842.
    ^ Susan Welch; John Gruhl; Susan M. Rigdon; Sue Thomas (2011). Understanding American Government. Cengage Learning. pp. 583, 671 (note 3). ISBN 978-0-495-91050-3.
    ^ Walter LaFeber (1993). Inevitable Revolutions: The United States in Central America. W. W. Norton & Company. p. 19. ISBN 978-0-393-30964-5.
    ^ Johnson, Chalmers, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire (2000), pp.72–9
    ^ Frederick Jackson Turner, "Significance of the Frontier", sagehistory.net (archived from the original on May 21, 2008).
    ^ Kellner, Douglas (April 25, 2003). "American Exceptionalism". Archived from the original on February 17, 2006. Retrieved February 20, 2006.
    ^ Edwords, Frederick (November/December 1987). "The religious character of American patriotism. It's time to recognize our traditions and answer some hard questions.". The Humanist (p. 20-24, 36).
    ^ Magdoff, Harry; John Bellamy Foster (November 2001). "After the Attack...The War on Terrorism". Monthly Review 53 (6): 7. Retrieved October 8, 2009.
    ^ Meinig, Donald W. (1993). The Shaping of America: A Geographical Perspective on 500 Years of History, Volume 2: Continental America, 1800–1867. Yale University Press. pp. 22–23, 170–196, 516–517. ISBN 0-300-05658-3.
    ^ Buchanan, Pat (1999). A Republic, Not an Empire: Reclaiming America's Destiny. Washington, DC: Regnery Publishing. ISBN 0-89526-272-X. p. 165.
    ^ Bacevich, Andrew (2004). American Empire: The Realities and Consequences of U.S. Diplomacy. Harvard University Press. ISBN 0-674-01375-1.
    ^ ERIC SCHMITT, "Washington at Work; Ex-Cold Warrior Sees the Future as 'Up for Grabs'" The New York Times December 23, 1991.
    ^ Edward Hallett Carr, The Twenty Years' Crisis 1919–1939: An Introduction to the Study of International Relations, 1939.
    ^ Smith, Ashley (June 24, 2006). "The Classical Marxist Theory of Imperialism". Socialism 2006. Columbia University.
    ^ Flynn, John T. (1944) As We Go Marching. p.240
    ^ C. Wright Mills, The Causes of World War Three, Simon and Schuster, 1958, pp. 52, 111
    ^ Flynn, John T. (1944) As We Go Marching.
    ^ Alfred Thayer Mahan (1987). The Influence of Sea Power upon History, 1660–1783. Courier Dover Publications. ISBN 978-0-486-25509-5.
    ^ Leo Panitch, "What you need to know about May Day"
    ^ Leo Panitch, "Whose Violence? Imperial State Security and the Global Justice Movement" Jan, 2005
    ^ Leo Panitch, "Putting the U.S. Economic Crisis in Perspective" January 31, 2008
    ^ Leo Panitch and Sam Gindin, "The Current Crisis: A Socialist Perspective" September 30, 2008
    ^ BRIAN JONES, "Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism" International Socialist Review Issue 44, November–December 2005
    ^ Empire hits back. The Observer, July 15, 2001.
    ^ Hardt, Michael (July 13, 2006). "From Imperialism to Empire". The Nation.
    ^ Negri, Antonio; Hardt, Michael (2000). Empire. Harvard University Press. ISBN 0-674-00671-2. Retrieved October 8, 2009. p. xiii–xiv.
    ^ Michael Hardt, Gilles Deleuze: an Apprenticeship in Philosophy, ISBN 0-8166-2161-6
    ^ Autonomism#Italian_autonomism
    ^ Harvey, David (2005). The new imperialism. Oxford University Press. p. 101. ISBN 978-0-19-927808-4.
    ^ Harvey 2005, p. 31.
    ^ Harvey 2005, pp. 77–78.
    ^ Harvey 2005, p. 187.
    ^ Harvey 2005, pp. 76–78
    ^ VDH's Private Papers::A Funny Sort of Empire
    ^ America's Empire of Bases
    ^ Pitts, Chip (November 8, 2006). "The Election on Empire". The National Interest. Retrieved October 8, 2009.
    ^ Military mystery: How many bases does the US have around the world, anyway? | Occasional Planet
    ^ Patrick Smith, Pay Attention to Okinawans and Close the U.S. Bases, International Herald Tribune (Opinion section), March 6, 1998.
    ^ "Base Structure Report" (PDF). USA Department of Defense. 2003. Archived from the original on January 10, 2007. Retrieved January 23, 2007.
    ^ American Imperialism? No Need to Run Away From the Label USA Today May 6, 2003
    ^ Neither New nor Nefarious: The Liberal Empire Strikes Back Current History, Vol. 102 No. 66 November, 2003
    ^ Heer, Jeet (March 23, 2003). "Operation Anglosphere". Boston Globe. Retrieved October 8, 2009.
    ^ Ferguson, Niall (June 2, 2005). Colossus: The Rise and Fall of the American Empire. Penguin. ISBN 0-14-101700-7.
    ^ Miller, Stuart Creighton (1982). "Benevolent Assimilation" The American Conquest of the Philippines, 1899–1903. Yale University Press. ISBN 0-300-02697-8. p. 3.
    ^ Lafeber, Walter (1975). The New Empire: An Interpretation of American Expansion, 1860–1898. Cornell University Press. ISBN 0-8014-9048-0.
    ^ Hanson, Victor Davis (November 2002). "A Funny Sort of Empire". National Review. Retrieved October 8, 2009.
    ^ Ikenberry, G. John (March/April 2004). "Illusions of Empire: Defining the New American Order". Foreign Affairs.
    ^ Cf. Nye, Joseph Jr. 2005. Soft Power: The Means to Success in World Politics. Public Affairs. 208 pp.
    ^ Thomas Friedman, "The Lexus and the Olive Tree", p. 381, and Manfred Steger, "Globalism: The New Market Ideology," and Jeff Faux, "Flat Note from the Pied Piper of Globalization," Dissent, Fall 2005, pp. 64–67.
    ^ Brands, Henry William. (1997). T.R.: The Last Romantic. New York: Basic Books. Reprinted 2001, full biography OCLC 36954615, ch 12
    ^ "April 16, 1897: T. Roosevelt Appointed Assistant Secretary of the Navy". Crucible of Empire – Timeline. PBS Online. Retrieved July 26, 2007.
    ^ "Transcript For "Crucible Of Empire"". Crucible of Empire – Timeline. PBS Online. Retrieved July 26, 2007.
    ^ Tilchin, William N. Theodore Roosevelt and the British Empire: A Study in Presidential Statecraft (1997)
    ^ See, for instance, Michael Mann (2005), Incoherent Empire (Verso); Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. (2005), "The American Empire? Not so fast", World Policy, Volume XXII, No 1, Spring;
    ^ Bookman, Jay (June 25, 2003). "Let's just say it's not an empire". Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Retrieved October 8, 2009.
    ^ Thornton, Archibald Paton (September 1978). Imperialism in the Twentieth Century. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 0-333-24848-1.
    ^ Walzer, Michael. "Is There an American Empire?". www.freeindiamedia.com. Archived from the original on October 21, 2006. Retrieved June 10, 2006.
    ^ Keohane, Robert O. "The United States and the Postwar Order: Empire or Hegemony?" (Review of Geir Lundestad, The American Empire) Journal of Peace Research, Vol. 28, No. 4 (November , 1991), p. 435
    ^ Nexon, Daniel and Wright, Thomas "What’s at Stake in the American Empire Debate" American Political Science Review, Vol. 101, No. 2 (May 2007), p. 266-267
    ^ Said, Edward. Culture and Imperialism, speech at York University, Toronto, February 10, 1993. (archived from the original on October 13, 2007).
    ^ Rothkopf, David In Praise of Cultural Imperialism? Foreign Policy, Number 107, Summer 1997, pp. 38-53
    ^ Fraser, Matthew (2005). Weapons of Mass Distraction: Soft Power and American Empire. St. Martin's Press.
     
  8. Sig

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    We assume. We're taking it for granted that whomever cited those sources used them properly and conveyed their intended message.
     
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    Every single book and article is biased. Every single form of media is colored. We just filter the information that is either relevant to us or suits us best.
     
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    Agreed. Everyone has a bias. That is why peer review is so important. Wikipedia isn't peer reviewed.
     
  11. odonII

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    Perhaps post what you think 'American Imperialism' means.
    I think the basic definition isn't wrong.
    You can always question the size, shape and impact etc.


    Wiki:

    American imperialism is a term referring to the economic, military, and cultural influence of the United States on other countries.

    Imperialism, as defined by the People of Human Geography, is "the creation and/or maintenance of a country's power and influence through military force."


    Is that wrong?
     
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    Yeah I don't take Wikipedia as gospel, but I do use it for general reference. For in-depth knowledge I turn somewhere else.
     
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    Seems about right to me.
     
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    if you are young enough, and i suspect most of you are. lets say under 30 perhaps, chances are quite good (nothing is entirely inevitable, except that governments are among the things that don't last for ever), that you will in your lifetime, witness the demise, not merely of one nation, even the most powerful among them, but of the very status of nations and of the concept of nations.

    this will result from the few individuals, who are even able to survive at all, being to busy doing so, to concern themselves with such issues.

    this being the result of famine and disease, itself in tern, the result of global climate change, again it tern, resulting from the combination of there being so many of us now, along with the use of combustion as the primary means of generating electrical energy and propelling mechanical transportation.

    humanity will not be wiped out, but it will be changed forever, by the oddities of those few who do survive to rebuild it. hopefully avoiding many of our current pitfalls when the do.

    of course the world that comes after is my favorite fantasy. a green world with a small fraction of today's human population, but still with most of the knowledge of technology we currently posses, though few willing to engage in the scale of collective effort required to extract oil or coal.

    (but enough to make solar panels, dams and windmills, to make electricty, and to build narrow gauge railways, or odder, similarly modest form factor forms, of mechanical transport)
     
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    You project your self righteous inflated ego in bizarre ways. How old are you?
     
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    It's not daunting at all, it's exciting. However my main focus for the past 10 years has been establishing stability in life. I can always travel later. But after some of the stuff I went through as a youth it hasn't been as important for now.

    And Americans do travel quite a bit. My mom has both lived and traveled all over the world, and I'm sure would rival most any world traveler. Most of my friends go to Costa or Guatemala at least once per year on surf trips. I have friends that travel to Europe routinely. One of my friends is in Africa right now. My choices are my own at this point. I have different priorities.
     
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    Just turned 91 today. Thank you very much for your birthday wishes, you are always so considering.
     
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    I'd say late 20's early 30s. Stab in the dark 28. Although, he looks older than I do - so he could be 38.
     
  19. r0llinstoned

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    Non Americans are so obsessed with America
     
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    Oh really?
     

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