The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. fraggle_rock

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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Trump threatens to shut down the government if he doesn't get his way...again.
     
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  3. MeAgain

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    Giuliani claims Trump may refuse to accept a Grand Jury subpoena or just take the Fifth.
    Meanwhile Trump says Giuliani needs to get his facts straight. Trump was golfing this weekend.

     
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  4. Flagme15

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    I know some people invoke their fifth amendment rights on principle, but imo, people who invoke the fifth are hiding something.
     
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    Trump seriously has to be the most blatantly guilty person in the history of the world.
    Not only is he bad at hiding it, but he is bad at hiding it while absolutely everyone is watching... not just Americans, everyone in the entire world.

    If this was an ongoing TV series (which it might as well be), I would either say that the writers have given too much away already or it must be a red herring because there's no way that the ending could be THIS obvious.
     
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  6. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    The interesting thing to note here is quiet simple. Trump is most likely an arrogant man, because he is very rich. That condition must give him the courage of an arrogant man who feels he can get away with anything and treat people whom he considers lower than him--like women and immigrants--like dirt. The rich have nearly always exploited people they consider lower classes. And in many cases known in history the exploiters considered themselves to be BLESSED for having gained financially by that immoral treatment of the lower classes. We need to ask when the lower classes in America will wake up to the financial exploitation by the ultra rich, who don't want the lower classes to have a minimum wage, or health insurance, or adequate housing, or a basic education, or clean water, or clean air. When will the American people wake up to the exploitation by the Trump ruling class?
     
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    Only when the roof falls in on them, and maybe not then. If China should retaliate against the tariffs with tariffs on soybeans, Midwest farmers will wake up in a hurry. Others may wake up as the prices for the goods they buy go up, the stock market drops, or we experience recession. Right now, though, unemployment is at a record low, and Trump is falsely claiming the credit.
     
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  8. Flagme15

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    or trump cancels the Iran deal. Oil prices shot to $70 a barrel today in anticipation of him canceling the deal.
     
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  9. egger

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    Discussion of the now famous 30-minute telephone call-in rant by Trump on Fox & Friends.

    Michael Avenatti thanked Fox & Friends and commented on some of the contradictory, damaging statements by Trump pertaining to Stormy Daniels, the Mueller investigation, and Trump's overnight stay in Moscow.

    As bad as all this was, Kellyanne Conway stated later that Trump would being doing monthy appearances like this on Fox plus breaking news appearances.

    Giuliani has since added more confusion to the Trump-Cohen situation and has said he doesn't have all of his facts straight.

    Trump supporters admire his shoot-from-the-hip, 'he tells it like it is' style in spite of the amount of legal damage he inflicts upon himself and his associates.


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    Robert Mueller’s Brilliant Strategy for Outmaneuvering Trump Pardons
    The president cannot save Paul Manafort.
    By Jed Handelsman Shugerman
    Nov. 3 2017 2:07 PM

    Robert Mueller’s Brilliant Strategy for Outmaneuvering Trump Pardons

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    "Mueller’s moves may make strategic sense because of a shadow hanging over the entire investigation: the potential that President Donald Trump might use his presidential pardon power to protect possible accomplices in potential crimes.

    Mueller knows that Trump can pardon Manafort (or any defendant) in order to relieve the pressure to cooperate with Mueller and to keep them quiet. But Mueller also knows that presidential pardons affect only federal crimes and not state-level crimes. On the one hand, double jeopardy rules under the Fifth Amendment prevent a second prosecution for the same crime, but the doctrine of dual sovereignty allows a state to follow a federal prosecution (and vice versa). So in theory, Manafort and Papadopoulos can’t rely on Trump’s pardons to save them even after a conviction or a guilty plea."


    "The New York statute does not allow a state prosecution to follow a federal prosecution (“a court of any jurisdiction within the United States”) for the same basic facts. The bottom line: If Mueller starts a trial on all of the potential charges, and then Trump pardons Manafort, Mueller will not be able to hand off the case to state prosecutors. And thus he would have lost leverage at the time of the indictment if he seemed headed toward losing the state prosecution as a backup."

    Instead, Mueller wisely brought one set of charges (mostly financial crimes that preceded the campaign), and he is saving other charges that New York could also bring (tax fraud, soliciting stolen goods, soliciting/conspiring to hack computers). Mueller also knew that his indictment document on Monday would include a devastating amount of detail on paper without relying on any witnesses to testify, showing Mueller had the goods on a slam-dunk federal money laundering case. Then he dropped the hammer with the Papadopoulos plea agreement, showing Manafort and Gates that he has the goods on far more charges, both in federal and state court."
     
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  11. egger

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    Robert Mueller deserves credit for taking down Gotti.


    Parallels emerge between Robert Mueller’s takedowns of Donald Trump and John Gotti
    Tim Faulkner
    2:06 pm EDT April 7, 2018

    Parallels emerge between Robert Mueller’s takedowns of Donald Trump and John Gotti

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    "Until Robert Mueller came along, Gotti was often referred to as “Teflon Don” for his ability to avoid serious convictions despite his life in crime. Much similar to that, donald Trump’s life of crime had previously never been impeded, and some have even called him “Teflon Donald.” Perhaps while Trump is spending the rest of his life in prison, with no money to count due to asset forfeiture, he’ll take up reading and someday realize the many similarities between himself and the other crime family taken down by Robert Mueller."
     
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    I believe Mueller was head of the FBI, and Giuliani was US attorney for the southern district of New York. Of course Giuliani will take credit for it.
     
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    The withdrawal was expected. Macron's tone of voice in his address toward the end of his state visit to the U.S. indicated he wasn't getting anywhere with Trump.
     
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    Giuliani is still raving about how great he was during 9/11.
     
  16. fraggle_rock

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    Some of this 'Trump is going down' stuff is like political porn.
     
  17. MeAgain

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  18. stormountainman

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    I listened to Trump's "quit the Iran speech" and heard him address the people of Iran directly. He told them they had been living under a dictatorship for 40 years. Any Irani could tell him that the dictatorship ended when the American supported Shah was removed from power by the people of Iran. Iran had a democratically elected leader (Mossadeg) who was removed from power by the Americans and replaced by an absolute ruler by the Americans. That was how the Shah came to power. Today Iran is a true democracy...people vote. In complete irony, America supports Saudi Arabia which has a dictatorship and has not offered its citizens ten minutes of freedom or democracy in the last hundred years. And Trump appears very chummy with the Saudi dictators. He even went to dance with them, in the traditional sword dance where only men participate. Then Trump criticized Shite Iran for sponsoring terror and again said nothing about the terror inflicted by Saudi Arabia on Yemen's Houthi Shite minority. Trump did not mention a word about Bahrain's Shite minority where again no democracy exists at all. Another thing Trump failed to mention is the meddling in other nation's affairs. He and Pence do not want others meddling in American affairs but he doesn't mind meddling in Venezuela's affairs. Iraq, Iran, and Venezuela were the first three members of OPEC. John Bolton must have explained that to the stable genius...Trump.
     
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    Well......You cant always get what you want
     
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