I hope the Obama suggestion wasn't serious. I mean, eve if the Bible DID state that the Antichrist would be "a charismatic man of Muslim descent in his 40s" (which it definitely doesn't), it still doesn't explain why Obama was being cited up until his election, while, say, Osama Bin Laden never to my knowledge had the accusation leveled at him, despite fitting that description perfectly.
osama, charismatic? does the world love osama the way they love obama? ill stick with my theory that when a crisis hits, obama would announce to the world that there would be another leader in his place. To convince the populace to accept the new world order. And i believe the new leader would be Rahm Emanuel.
Let's take a close look at this thing to make sure there's no mistake, "And the dragon gave him his power, and his seat,, and great authority." Revelation 13:2. Emperor Justinian "gave" Rome to the Pope when he decreed that the Pope should be over all the Christian churches of the earth, and established the Papacy in 538 A.D., when the Emperor's general Belisarius drove the Ostrogoths from Rome. Rome gave him his "seat." Bible prophecy predicted it hundreds of years before it happened! From 538 A.D. the Papacy ruled for exactly 1260 years, until 1798 when something incredible happened. The Pope was taken prisoner! Napoleon's general, Berthier, captured the Pope and took him to France! A deadly wound. The Papacy had reigned exactly 1260 years. Could it have just been coincidence? Why did Berthier do it? Napoleon wanted to rule the world. The Papacy stood in his way. I wonder if they knew that they were fulfilling prophecy in spite of themselves! "... and his deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast." Revelation 13:3. "In 1929, the Italian government recognized Vatican City as an independent state. Once again, the Pope was king. On March 9, 1929, he said, 'The peoples of the entire world are with us.' The San Francisco Chronicle published an account of the pact-signing on the front page of its newspaper. It actually read like this, 'Mussolini and Gaspari Sign Historic Pact . . . Heal Wound of Many Years.' That is fantastic! The Bible prophesied that its wound would be healed and the newspaper confirmed it in the exact same words." Though this great organization was not officially established till 538 AD., the Apostle Paul saw forces at work that were preparing the way. What was going on back there that he could have seen? Here's what happened. After Jesus went back to heaven, the early church grew rapidly under the blessing of the Holy Spirit. Jesus had predicted the treatment that His people were to receive. "They shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you; and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." Matthew 24:9. That was literally fulfilled. Look at this amazing account. "Their execution was made into a game," wrote Tacitus, describing the persecutions under Nero. "They were covered with the skins of wild animals and torn to pieces by dogs. They were hung on crosses. They were burned, wrapped in flammable material and set on fire, to illuminate the night. 'To escape death, they had but to repudiate Christ and sacrifice to the emperor." Cited in LIBERTY, June, 1980, p. 13. Some did, but many more were tortured to death rather than deny their Lord. "Paganism foresaw that should the gospel triumph, her temples and altars would be swept away; therefore she summoned her forces to destroy Christianity. Christians were stripped of their possessions and driven from their homes. Great numbers sealed their testimony with their blood. Noble and slave, rich and poor,, learned and ignorant, were alike slain without mercy. "Beneath the hills outside the city of Rome, long galleries had been tunneled through earth and rock; the dark and intricate network of passages extended for miles beyond the city walls. In these underground retreats the followers of Christ buried their dead; and here also, when suspected, they found a home. Many were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection.' Hebrews 11:35. They rejoiced that they were accounted worthy to suffer for the truth, and songs of triumph ascended from the midst of the crackling flames." Satan couldn't wipe them out. For years emperors Nero and Diocletian slaughtered them by the thousands. "You may kill us, torture us, condemn us," said one Christian to his persecutors, "your injustice is the proof that we are innocent." Tertullian, Apology, para. 50. Until 313 A.D. it was against the law to be a Christian. Such a person was an automatic criminal, But the followers of Jesus spread everywhere. Satan could see that he had to change his tactics. He would come up with a better scheme, What could the devil think of to do better than killing them? Make things easy - and infiltrate! Like a wise general he would corrupt the church from the inside. Watch what happens. A great shout goes up in the empire. Emperor Constantine has become a Christian! The Christians are euphoric. No more being torn apart by dogs and lions, or used as dupes to be cut down in cold blood, or human torches to light up the arena for the gladiators. Now Christianity is the state religion! Things are going great. Or so it seems. But little by little, as everyone relaxes and quits worrying about being tortured to death, something happens. Compromise! Gradually the leaders, for the sake of popularity and gain, let down the standards to make it easier for the pagans to come into the church. But this brings in efforts and pagan customs. Not at all surprised by Satan's scheme to corrupt His church from within, God gives us fair warning. Listen to Paul's shocking words. "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:" II Thessalonians 2:1- 4,7. Oh yes. He saw it coming! The mysterious work of corruption rapidly progressed after the death of the last Apostle. Question: What happened? After persecution ceased, Satan's great device was to control the leaders of the church. If he could inflate their ego; make them money hungry, the whole body would be affected. A popularity contest would be on to get as many heathen to accept Christianity as possible. The wealth and prestige of the church would grow. Who cares if you have to change the Bible somewhat to get them! Just introduce some of the heathen customs and rites into Christianity, give them Christian names, and the heathen will flock in. Of all horrors - that's just what happened! The Apostles had gone throughout the empire establishing churches in many cities. As time went by, smaller churches were built in the surrounding country sides. The large centers were in Jerusalem, Rome, and Alexandria, Egypt. Rome finally emerged on top. The next step in the plot was for church leaders to get control of the state to help enforce their decrees. They achieved this beyond their wildest dreams. The, epitome of this came when in 538 A.D. the entire city of Rome was handed over to the Pope - the Bishop of Rome. For the next 1260 years, church leaders reigned with full civil authority. All just as predicted in prophecy! Incredible! But look at this shocker. It says that the beast has "the name of blasphemy." Revelation 13:1. "It became one of the leading doctrines of the church that its visible head is invested with supreme authority over bishops and pastors in all parts of the world. More than this, he took the very name of God! He was addressed as "Lord God the Pope" and declared to be "infallible." (For documentation see Appendix 3). He demands the 'worship of all men. What about 666? Let's take a shocking look. On the Pope's official mitre is the title "Vicarius Filii Dei," which means "Vicar of the Son of God." The claim that this is his official title has been stated publicly through the years. The April 18, 1915 issue of Our Sunday Visitor, states: 'The letters inscribed in the Pope's mitre are these: "VICARIUS FILII DEI," which is Latin for Vicar of the Son of God." In Revelation 13:18 it says, "Count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)." Let's do it now and see what we find. Remember the Roman numerals you learned in school? VICARIUS V = 5 I = 1 C = 100 A = 0 R = 0 U = 5 S = 0 -------- 112 + FILII F = 0 I = 1 L = 50 I = 1 I = 1 -------- 53 + DEI D = 500 E = 0 I = 1 -------- 501 = 666 "U" and "V" have the same value. Look in your encyclopedia under "Alphabet." In Greek, Hebrew, and Latin, it comes out the same - "666"
God is dead. The Anti-christ cannot make amends with the Charlot. He has to be the charlot himself in order to be present in the future as well as the past. She is no where in the actual space and time to be found; doesn't mean she died: does it?
The A-series and the B-series of Time passage. Is that something Christian because time doesn't exist at the end of the world, or is it after-all something with that war in Afghanistan?
And people think I'm strange. The Anti-Christ isn't a person. It's a kind of attitude the world takes in dealing with things. It cycles just like the seasons do. Today's world is very AC. Cold calculation of profit and loss has become more important than compassion and empathy for your fellow human being. We have traded prophet for profit. We have only begun to pay the price for such an oversight. But pain is a good teacher. That too, has only just begun. All your bibilcal prophesies aren't far off now. Not from the battle of God and the Devil, but the battle of the informed versus the ignorant. Same as always. x
IS the Anti Christ and Beast the same? I say the Beast is the Rockafeller Family. Rocka Feller. RFID chip.
The AC is regarded as a person or group of people. The beast is kind of their extended family. It encompasses all the little support elements that feed a movement like this. You could say bankers are AC, and the financial institutions their body. I'm only interested in the head. x
BS post. the AntiChirst is a person! and the beast is the system, pretty wierd that an anti-zionist would we believe in the thought of the antichrist. anyways i was think who it might be the AC as well . when the AC declares himself ruler of earth he will sign a 7 yr peace agreement with Israel and Pasletine. After 3yrs he will break the agreement and wage war on the state of Israel.but b4 the signing of this treaty the rapture will happen and he will tell people that the "aliens" adopted them when his just tricking people. so if Obama starts Jan.19 2009 and in 2010 19 jan. it will be one yr, so from 2010 19.jan to 2011 jan.19 it will be 2 years of his presidency. So from jan.19 2011 to 2012 .19jan it will 3yrs! so i assume that he wages war against Israel in 2012! btw another thing i notice is that the Media is hyping up 2012 so it looks as the End of the world, so then this would help out obama on starting war on Israel. Remember the devil comes in sheep clothing and he will do watever in tricking ppl.
what an Interesting post, jmt... I do definitely believe that AC is a man, but I surely do hope you're wrong about Obama. I think there are some parallel things going on in Europe, which I think AC could also come from. Do you have any thoughts that the AC will be a clone - makes perfect sense to me, as that would be a human, but also an abomination (imo) - it could easily have happened in those fancy biotech places over there, you know?
Yeah, the anti-Christ will be a man, and your idea of a clone would be perfect since it's very soul would be an abomination. Nowadays, with the DNA stuff, i imagine that the Shroud of Turin, the supposed burial wrap used on Jesus, might be just the thing... i have to wonder, also, about the Rapture ~ will folks actually fall for an alien abduction story when, say, one third of the earth's population just disappears??? The truth is, i think a lot of 'em WILL believe it. Cripes.
mm... you see how much hope and confidence we have on Obama! even yourself you have hope on him! for a better US! well i thought we cant clone? anyways i dnt pay attention to the cloning, can you update me? are they getting closer in europe in doing so? btw the way i feel we might have another 7 to 10 yrs left on earth so i discard the cloning part because the clone would be 10 yrs old and the AC will be much older...so i discard that theory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1eun3u7ScQ thats a very good video with alot so true signs! part 4 is very good
As for 1/3 disappear is a VERY BIG lie Fyrenza Jesus said that the passage to hell is wide and that the right passage will b narrow and only so many would find it( so Yes theres ppl doomed from there birth to go to hell). 1/3 of earth isnt going into the rapture why? because the earths pop. is 6.7 billion so for 3.2 billion people missing is a lie and if there was that amount of truely righteous ppl here on world! earth wouldnt be the way it is today! so you cant say on how many are going to be saved. Yes in the bible it states that 1/3 will DIE due to sum disaster and thats when the AC does miracles and puts more crops on earth which ppl will fall for. now Like i stated the devil comes in sheeps clothing..now aliens perfectly explain the reason why mayans and egyptians build there pyramids!(bcuz the UFOs help them build them) but thats a lie. Also those ppl had hundreds of gods so to see a UFO it would be a god when really it just a demon so thats why i feel they interacted with them. Now fast foward into the future and over time ppl collect lots of storys on whats coming from the sky and now in the past 100 yrs we have cameras. So now ppl take pictures and video tapes which are Real sightings of UFO. So our thoughts over the yrs we are conditioned to believe in that stuff. look at the media how it pushes it to the max. In 1950 ppl in NYC where going crazy thinking Aliens came and it was just a Radio show. So now if the Rapture happens it would be a perfect explaination to all the ppl missing alots of christians**, ppl now adays see christains as crazy and would b perfect person to be "taken" away to another planet.
Nobody knows who the Antichrist will be, we can only estimate. All that you have said is just a theory of what might happen. I doubt Obama is the Antichrist. 1/3 of the population cant be half of it. 2.15 billion seems more like a valid statistic. G*d knows what happens next, we don't. What we need to do now with all of this information that no one cares about is, become closer to Christ Jesus. Anoint yourself in his words. Stop caring so much about the details, we all know this world is coming to an end whether we accept it or not. Find grace with G*d and our Savior and be safe from the wrath that is about to be unleashed.
The anti-Christ differs depending on what religious nut you talk to these clues can include: * Birthplace: The Antichrist will be born somewhere. "Where" is open to debate. Popular candidates include Babylon (which is conveniently located in Iraq), Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Rome. Some people do little numerological games with longitude and latitude to support the candidate of their choosing. * Astrology: This category generally includes a host of speculations regarding unusual phenomena in the sky coinciding with the birth of the Antichrist. These include but are not limited to lunar eclipses, solar eclipses, comets, supernovae and UFOs. - From http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/antichrist/ Many bigoted morons claim the anti Christ is already here and is an adult male Jew. To believe in such garbage is counter productive to civilized life.
Once again, AdreSac, I find you have been able to hit the nail dead on... the details are interesting to me, but I don't "worry" about it. I guess I find the speculation intriguing. As far as trying to convince anyone of anything - I'm not, but I do like reading other people's thoughts on this.
