* Do not say that you want to surrender. Just know that you already are surrendered. * A person who cannot surrender cannot be self reliant * When you are shaken, remember the foundation of responsibility is surrender. * The greatest power is in surrender, surrender to the Divine. -HIS HOLINESS SRI SRI RAVISHANKAR --- So here's the discussion topic... surrender or self-reliance? Which is better on the spiritual path...or do you need a little bit of both? Is this one of the messages that Lord Krishna tries to tell us in the Bhagavad-Gita? I would argue that you need to surrender and be devoted to even have the will power to work on the paths of karma, jnana, or raja yoga... that all need bhakti...and that all coexist...and you have to surrender in order to be self-reliant. Does that make sense? Tell me what you think.