I'm thinking about getting some survival gear together and just living out in the wilderness and I'm looking for some people that are interested in joining me. This is the starting of a community but one that lives in nature together and loves each other freely. Let me know if your interested
i posted on your other thread too, but i'll do it here just in case >.> anyway this sounds cool, im interested
Right now I'm trying to get people together to begin the process. Shoot me an email at: lifelovefun@yahoo.com and we can get to the details
Hey lifelovefun. I was just wondering if you know anything about living off the land. There's a lot more to it than buying survival gear. Sounds like you might be talking about camping out rather than living off the land. Because if you don't have the knowhow and skills you are going to be going into to town for supplies a lot. And then you are going to get busted..... I can live off the land, but it took a lot of years and a lot study and practice to acquire the necessary skills. Feel free to email me if you have any questions about those skills and how to develop them. You could learn them in a year of hard work with guidance. Littlefoot
this sounds more like a kid with a bad idea on getting laid in a tent! ain't gonna happen, the wilds will eat you up. go to the burning man festival and get it out of your system, this is serious business.
Choosing the wrong place could have grim consequences indeed. In most of the rural areas in the U.S., if you squat on the public lands around a small town (there's got to be one near so you can get supplies) all the locals will know about you in no time. And they won't like it. They'll come out there into the forest, with guns and dogs, looking for you, and if the only thing that happens is that you get beat up and your gear destroyed, you'll be lucky. People from Liberal communities on the coasts and/or the big cities just don't have any idea what the typical rural American is like. These are the people who elected George Bush. These are the descendents of the people that slaughtered Native Americans for fun. These are the people who directly rape the planet and fight the wars for the Corporations. They don't give a flying fuck about what some Liberal from the coast or the city thinks his/her rights are. They make the rules in their neck of the woods and they enforce them with the guns in their pickups and over their fireplaces. Don't mess with them on their own territory. They will kill you and bury you in the woods without a second thought. And the local police officers, who are their buddies and relatives will look the other way. I speak from personal experience. I was driven out of a rural area in the American West for no other reason than I was different: Vegan, no loud vehicle, no guns, no vicious dogs, no chainsaws. I treated all of the people their with respect. And I OWNED the property I was living on. LIttlefoot
Americans are raised to believe that buying stuff is the solution to every problem. If it says "survival gear" on it, it must mean that if you buy it you will be able to survive in the wilderness. Sure. And America is a Free Country. Must be. Says so right on the label. LIttlefoot
I agree, which is always why I've thought a travelling commune was the best way to do something like this(and is what I'm working on starting in about 4 and a half years). So do you have any specific place in mind?
Just about any large tract of undeveloped land with water and trees will do if you don't have to go into town for supplies. Practically speaking, this means the western U.S. The Rockies, Olympics, Cascades, Coast Range, Sierra Nevadas... Doesn't take much to camouflage your community from the _very_ rare people on foot or offroad vehicles or horses, and airplanes and satellites. Semi-nomadic is more realistic than completely mobile. Gardens are pretty much a necessity. There may be 2000+ species of wild edible plants in the western U.S., but wheat and sugarbeets and hemp for fiber and oil are the cat's meow. You'll gather out an area in no time with a few dozen people without gardens, and have to move on and leave big sign. And you need the smokeless fires and artificial light provided by woodgas generators, which aren't portable, though they can be built in a relatively short time from native clay. And forget about hunting/trapping/fishing. All the large and small game animals and fish are carefully monitored by various governmental agencies and NGOs and private orgs. This isn't 200 or even 50 years ago. The days of the hunterer-gatherer are over. You start taking deer and elk and bear and beaver and rabbits, etc., and there will be investigators crawling all over the place in no time. H/T/F leave BIG sign and they'll bring in the dogs and helicopters with infrared and radar (detects steel) and find you. The way to stay free is for them to have no idea that you are out there. There are skills that need to be learned by a core group in advance: preparing fibers and spinning and weaving and sewing. Woodgas.Identifying wild edibles/medicinal/fiber plants. Locating and processing iron ore and forging. (not the big deal you might think -- we've been making good tool steel for about 3500 years). Forgetabout flint tools. Iron or is easier to find than good knappingstones and the tools you make will last a lot longer. Few are necessary. No-till gardening, saving seeds, food-preservation. Water-tight and general basketry. Making cordage, basic knotting and lashing.... Finding/creating and developing water supplies. Basic medical stuff like anti-biotic plants and sewing cuts and setting broken bones.... Making fire. Pottery -- woodworking... That sort of stuff. Four and a half years sounds like enough time to learn them and have a life, too. You are a sensible person. Once the core group has learned the skills, they can teach other people who join. LIttlefoot "The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a comfortable living from a small piece of land." -- Abraham Lincoln
Dear Littlefoot.... Badass.... ....im just starting my commune too.... mabey we should stay in touch... ....i heard you say your starting in the WESTern US....look up Conceivia() ....im doing mine on the NORTH EASTern US.... Souther Appalachians are my mountain range...im still looking into land and such as well.... not an easy task...they make it quite daunting.... but i guess that weeds out the weak minded.... .... PM me sometime, ide love to hear how your community is doing... be excellent... ...json
Hello. The problem with the East is that the overall population density is very high. When the System breaks down there are going to be scores of millions of people from nearby large population centers pouring into the mountains. Those mountain forests may look good _now_...... The Rockies in the West (some 300,000 square miles of land in a chain comprised of over a hundred individual ranges, extending 3000 miles from northern B.C., Candada to northern New Mexico) is a long way from most large populations centers and has an average population density of 10 people/square mile, the vast majority of whom are concentrated in a relatively few large towns and small cities that can be avoided. Furthermore, the climate (cold-temperate) is rough enough to keep most people away when the System collapses, all by itself. The most desirable lands in the Rockies are in B.C. south of Prince George down to a hundred miles or so north of the U.S. border (where it becomes too populous). The Inland Rain Forests are there. I'm not involved in a communal living project at the moment. Last one was ended in 2001 or 2002 (I'm terrible with exact dates) by a bunch of fundamentalist 'Christians' with automatic weapons and dangerous dogs. They really didn't want people like us in the area. The group hadn't matured enough yet to deal with the situation. Littlefoot
This is the area I live in, and I would be very interested in taking part in something like this. Please drop me a line, let me know more.
