Sports Boredeom.

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  1. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    It's not just shape for shape's sake. Certain beers taste better in certain glasses. Similar to how red and white wine glasses are different.
     
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  2. Noserider

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    Who staffs these cancer hospitals? Who is treating these children? The AMA and hospital administrators have a lot more to do with the medical industry price gouging than the doctors in the trenches who are there to treat people.

    A good doctor is worth every penny, and the truth is, most of them would treat you for free if they weren't paying off hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans. An intern can make as little as $12 an hour right out of medical school. It's a hard profession and nowhere near as lucrative as people make it out to be. And, frankly, if Jeff Gordon or Von Miller really gave a shit, they'd be doctors.
     
  3. Irminsul

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    Doctors seeing people for free? Lol. Okaaayyyy. I thought it was common knowledge that doctors write scripts which make money for pharmaceuticals who subsidise back into the doctors account. It's cycle and the patients pay for it. So, no, I don't believe doctors are out there for my personal benefit or your personal benefit. A specialist, maybe, that's why a doctor refers you to one because they don't know, though I'm also fully aware there's bonuses in referrals too because I've had that much eye surgery in multiple countries and chased enough referrals, I know the foundations that work together in all of that.

    So I'm going to stand by my statement. The only people who actually care about others and want to help are nurses, I hear a nurse say they wanna help people all the time and that's what they do. Never heard anyone say they wanted to be a doctor to help people, always heard them say "there's good money in those professions" so while your local GP just wrote a referral for little Lisa and her mamma just paid 300$ to a small optmotrist firm for a pair of glasses, 500,000 were sent to Africa for free to help half a million kids with failing eye conditions.

    I know who I'm looking up to in all of that. :)

    And while the GP and hospital bills are too high for little Jonothan to battle cancer, well Jeff Gordon built a charity foundation to get around that, which in this case also, I know who I'm looking to in that too. :)
     
  4. Irminsul

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    When the hurricanes hit last year it was sports folks that donated money, raised millions and tried to help well before I read a local doctor did anything but line their pocket with $ from injuries sustained. And when the poor can't afford toys for Xmas I dont read about doctors conception of toy drives. But sports persons, yep I see them doing things.

    A doctor over Xmas froffs at the mouth thinking about the $ they'll make over cuts and bruises from new bike injuries.
     
  5. Irminsul

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    When Jeff Gordon stood up for the elderly who couldn't afford to eat I saw him in soup kitchens and promoting food drives. Not a doctor. Jeff Gordon, and if his child cancer foundation can save a few kids the doctors won't touch without insurance, good on you Jeff. That makes a difference in this world. Same with African journeys helping tribal communities. You see volunteers in places like that, not professional doctors. The red Cross. First aid. No doctors.

    Half a million kids in Africa can now see clearly, well done Von Miller. That's respect right there. Didn't see anyone else trying.

    They don't need to be doctors to care. Doesn't mean they don't care any less, we can't all be doctors. A man's gotta do what he's best at and they race cars or play football and spend an extreme amount of time helping others when they aren't.

    And I have no doubt that, like Jeff Gordon who came up with the concept of the HANS device to save lives, other sports people when they retire will continue building knowledge into injuries to help suffice future generations. Like a ton of athletes have done or are doing right now.

    Easy to say someone is overpaid when all you do is watch them on that TV but the realistic implications behind that are, they're very busy people involved in many elements of life that we rarely get to read about.
     
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    there is no "one size fits all" entertainment. sports ARE boring to a creative imagination, which is the source of real gratification for sapient life forms on any world.
     
  7. Irminsul

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    You realise it was creative imagination to come up with the concepts of different games and sports don't you? :tonguewink: take the NFL for example, if that's not creativity I dunno what is lol. I mean it's so complicated in comparison to most other ball sports, it wasn't just a oh let's do this, no it had to have been very deliberate.
     
  8. guerillabedlam

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    Not familiar with the esoterica but I like all those things you mention as well and I like sports. The thrill of it is kind of hard to explain but I can really only compare it to live music from those. I grew up playing sports so maybe from that standpoint and knowing how much time and effort that goes into it, it's pretty easy for me to appreciate the most gifted and/or determined athletes competing against each other.
     
  9. hotwater

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    The Tiger Woods Foundation has raised over $500,000,000 dollars to help improve the health and education of all children throughout America.
     
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    Doctors charge that in a week on prescription medicine that probably wasn't even required.
     
  11. Noserider

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    So there was this athlete, who played every sport you could think of--she was so good at volleyball, in fact, she represented the USA in Under 18 World Championships back in 1998 or whenever it was. She was also fascinated with the human body and how the mechanisms of it worked in sport. So fasciated was she, that she decided she was going to medical school. She was going to be an orthopedic surgeon, and that was that. She was going into sports medicine to repair athletes for a living.

    She used her athletic talents to do her pre-med for free, and then spent the next eight years in seminars, classrooms, lectures, hospitals, labs, clinics, and morgues. Never earned a penny. In fact, she was paying to do this. Finally, she she became a surgical intern--the medical equivalent of a fast food worker. But she'd made it. 30 years old, and she finally had her first job. Eventually she was offered her dream job, working out of a sports medicine clinic.

    Soon, she was spending her days reconstructing hips, reattaching torn ligaments, getting high school- and college-level athletes back onto their playing fields. And she would remark--to anyone who made the mistake of listening--that the human body was like a puzzle; and she loved putting it back together right. She was good at her job and over confident to the point of being cocky.

    And, then, one day, it wasn't enough. So about a year ago or so, she started working one night a week in an emergency room. And it wasn't for the extra cash. Doctors in public hospitals don't make much money. This was about doing something more than simply fixing broken pitchers and quarterbacks.

    And so, while her colleagues in sports medicine were getting into their Beamers on Thursday afternoons, she would take a quick nap in the back office, before heading to the hospital to begin her shift as the on-call surgeon. And she saw it all: shooting victims, car accidents, children on the verge of death. She saved lives and she failed to save lives. She was harassed and called vile and disgusting names by patients looking to squeeze her. Once, a patient coded on her table, and she did a procedure in order to bring him back from the edge. During the procedure, she broke one of this patient's ribs. Do you think he thanked her for saving his life? No. He tried to sue her for breaking his rib.

    When Hurricane Harvey hit, she told her significant other, that she was going to Houston. That she was in position to help and had a moral obligation to do so. Her significant other was proud of her noble attitude. So, she was down there for a week, didn't earn a dime--spent her own money just to be able to sleep in a trailer, eat coffee grounds, and treat those less fortunate.

    And it still wasn't enough. She came back home and organized clothing, toy, and food drives. She and her doctor friends sent supplies to Houston, Florida and Puerto Rico. She even forced her significant other into donating blood plasma two days a week. And then, oh, I don't know, a month or so ago, she sat down with her significant other and said, "Sweetie? I'm still spending 80% of my time working in sports medicine. How would you feel if I left the practice to work full time at the hospital?" She posed this question because her significant other--who could be a shallow and materialistic at times--would have to accept the fact their household income would change drastically. This would necessitate a lifestyle change. It might mean moving into a less expensive neighborhood. It could mean giving up some of the perks they'd become accustomed to. Perhaps her significant other might need to get a second job.

    Her significant other was so inspired, and recognized that the term "better half" was very accurate. They agreed that whatever might come their way, they would weather the storm together. As of this moment, the two have not worked out the details of how this life transition is going to work, but her significant other has accepted that it is in the cards.

    Some, call her a pill pusher. Some call her a hero. Some just call her good ol' Dr. B.

    I call her my fiancé. And, Irm, everything you said earlier has been wildly inaccurate, incredibly ignorant, and very, very hurtful.

    I sat down to write tonight, but this is what I saw on my screen. I wasn't even going to respond, until I noticed you pushed it by making three different posts. I spun my computer around so that Brianna could see the screen.

    She shrugged. "Oh yeah. People say that stuff all the time."

    "Well, doesn't it bother you?"

    "No. Not really."

    I was mortified. "How can this not bother you?"

    "Because a lot of people think that way, and you'll go crazy if you worry about it."

    And then, she leaned forward, over the table, a sly smile on her face. "And also, people like that," she said, gesturing at my laptop, "are going to get hurt, or get sick, or have a loved one--God forbid--who is terminal. And you know what they're going to do? They're going to call the doctor, not Jeff Gordon. And they already know that. See, some people talk and talk and talk about something they know nothing about, while thinking they know what they're talking about. But these people? They already know they're full of shit. They know they will call a doctor some day. And you know what? This happens all the time. These people are out there, bashing us, pretending they know what we're all about, making baseless assumptions, and next thing you know, there they are! In desperate need of a doctor. And you know what we do? We treat them. We save them. We heal them. And we send them back out into the world to live their lives. And as soon as they're back out in the world, they'll go back to bashing doctors, the medical industry, healthcare--whatever. And inevitably, at some point, they will get hurt or sick and second time, and, once again, come crawling back to the doctors they can't stand. And that second time? You know what we do then?"

    "What?" I said greedily, waiting with anticipation for the part of the story that involves dropkicking ungrateful people through hospital doors.

    "We treat them again. We save their lives if need be. We stabilize them again. And we, once again, send them back out into the world. Because we're doctors. That's what we do. And I know that. I know that when I peel off latex gloves at the end of a shift, and I know that before getting into bed with you. And that's why that shit doesn't bother me. And that's why it shouldn't bother you either."

    Then she went back to organizing the autism walk to raise money for--you guessed it--autistic children.

    If only I was half the woman she is...
     
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  12. Irminsul

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    Actually before anyone reads this I just wanna say I have gone back over things now, for the longest while and I understand what I said was wrong and where I went wrong trying to prove a point defending something I believed in. If I had been made aware of personal circumstances, I would have went on a different tangent to carry on with in another extravagant argument. And for that, I am sorry.

    I don't see how me saying Jeff Gordon and Von Miller are held in high respects to me in general because I believe they do more than a local GP could upset you. That's just my personal opinion, which I still stand by. I have my sports medicine degree too, I accomplished this after I left highschool. I don't class myself as a general GP because I'm not. I also know that everybody has to call the doctor, because the doctor is going to send them off to the specialist who we all cherish. None of that was even the point.. I was stereotyping, from personal experiences and I've had many of them believe me.

    I made 3 posts to reiterate what sports celebrities do for the community instead of portraying them as millionaires who are over paid and don't earn it or are selfish.

    Surely you have sports people you look up to? And if you look up to your woman for doing good things, why can't I look up to my heroes for doing the same? Or why can't I say that? What's wrong with me saying a GP prescribes medication, but a Jeff Gordon went to Africa and and helped build irrigation and fresh waterways, or spent a lot of money to feed hungry Americans. Why is that such an intrusive remark to be offended by?

    You should also know that I didn't branch all "doctors" under the label GP or "doctor" and that I was specifically talking about a GP and/or doctor. I had actually applauded athletes for getting into sports medicine during and after their career to help the future generations.

    So I really can't see what it was anyone could be upset about. I said how I see it, and I wasn't prepared to acknowledge that sports people don't do anything with their "over paid" salaries because in the two examples I gave, you should be able to acknowledge that in only those two examples, that the original statement was incorrect because many of them do I fact give back. Was never ambushing a sports trainer or their medical staff. That would be attacking myself. Lol.

    And after going back and reading what I posted, I can't see at all how any of that would reflect on your partner or anything she has accomplished or why anything I said would have been detrimental to those accomplishments. All I see me saying is some sports people are wicked awesome, and that doctors make money from prescribing medication which we all know is quite accurate.. Maybe Jeff Gordon isn't a doctor, but his relentless pursuit to make things safer for sport have saved countless lives in Motorsport and vehicle accidents for over a decade now. How cool is that? Not bad for someone who's overpaid, and that's all I'm saying. They do give back. Folks may not ring him directly, but his achievement in building the Jeff Gordon Children Foundation as well as his plentiful cancer research and food drive campaigns and centres shouldn't be overlooked. A sports person built a medical empire up to help others. That's what I was saying.

    Okay maybe I can see you'd be a little ticked off with my hurricane bit, but the point was I think it was JJ Watt, another "over paid" footballer put a lot in for those reliefs and I thought it should be mentioned to go with the whole "they do give back" analogy because a lot of the time they do. That's what makes them heroes and role models in my eyes. :) okay and maybe the whole nurse thing but why didn't you just come out and say she was a doctor and I wouldn't went all through that! But I seriously had to laugh off the notion that those well being athletes and there's many of them, could not be heroes. Everybody's heroes, are different to everybody. That is true individualism. And as true individuals, the emotions that charge our passions are going to vary and what you and I are both passionate about, aren't the same things. You and your partner can point fingers at me on the screen and call me ungrateful, but I know I'm not a bad person. My passion was to stick up for sports people, and your passion was to stick up for your partner which really you were right to do, that's the right thing. I'm sorry. Any day of the week sticking up for partner trumps having a rant.
     
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  13. Noserider

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    I love you, Irm. Nothing will change that.
     
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    Irm the anti-doctite bastard. :p

    I also wanted to bring up the scene where pediatrists aren't real doctors. I thought it might be distasteful. Lol.
     
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    Next you'll be saying they should have their own schools
     
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    I just find this amusing after the sports nut video you posted. Talking about arenas for clans. Have you ever been to a big concert? They are more territorial of the band's they listen to than sports fans. And then some guy on stage says stand up and jump around. And 20,000 people do it. Those fucking mind dead sheep music fans.
    Saying you like art is like saying you like life. Way to generalized. Both sports and music are considered arts.
    You know there is literature on sports too.
    And science....
    Ever seen the show "sports science"?
     
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    Espn used to do a 5min or so, or less sports science segment between shows. I enjoyed that. :)
     
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    Regardless of whether you’re a sports fan or not you’ve gotta love this story out of the world of MMA

    The MMA superstar Conor McGregor was arrested and is expected to be charged with assault after he was seen on video attacking a bus attempting to leave the Barclays Center.



     
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    He's such a dickhead.
     
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    His only option now is the WWE under Vince McMahon
     

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