"Soul Mates" are bullshit

Discussion in 'Love and Sex' started by Libertine, Mar 14, 2007.

  1. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    "Love" is a chemical reaction. That doesn't lessen its value to humanity or diminish its purpose, but it does recognize it for what it truly is. "Chemistry" is really a great description of what happens when two (or more) people hook up. It really IS chemical.

    Since there is truly no evidence for a "soul", I'm not even going there, but evidences that "ONE TRUE LOVE" and "SOUL MATES" are pure, created bullshit that we have been conditioned to rely on.

    Many people find their first true love and it usually ends up not working out. Others fall in love and then out, and death separates some and the survivor usually moves on after a while and remarries.

    I have to admit I get so amused at some of the posts (usually females... no offense... many males are just as syrupy) that talk about finding their one true love and talking about them constantly. That is not love. That is obsession and it is a psychological disorder.

    "Falling into love" is a mind-altering state and one can EASILY fall right back out of it.

    History, time, and various examples are proof of these facts.

    "True love" is a non-judgmental, tolerance of humanity and people.

    "True romance" is making life special by experiencing special moments with the current mate of your choice -- whether that relationship lasts 50 days or 50 years.

    But, sorry... no "perfect" men or women and definitely no soul mates.

    Thank you and good night.

    :)
     
  2. Rigamarole

    Rigamarole Senior Member

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    I fundamentally disagree, as I have already found my one true love.

    No matter what happens, she has always been there for me. During the best of times, during the worst of times. I have shared just about every waking moment with her, and she has always been by my side when I needed her most. I have made love to her countless times, and it is always fantastic. She never complains or causes me problems. She is always happy to please me.

    Yes, my dear right hand, I love you more than anything.
     
  3. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Well, damn.

    There goes my theory!
     
  4. lace_and_feet

    lace_and_feet Super Member

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    I agree with you, Libertine. It's weird: a lot of the couples I know who claim to be soul mates have really bipolar relationships--they fight one minute then are cuddling the next, or they break up then get back together a lot. The soul mate theory seems to be pretty much the one glue holding them together, which is sad; people shouldn't stay in a relationship they don't thrive in, or use some mystical "connection" as the excuse not to move on.
     
  5. RawAndNatural

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    Libertine, I agree with you on some points. I don't agree with you completely only becuase I'm still looking into all of these issues.

    Romantic love, attraction, or lust, is definitely a chemical reaction. PEA, nor-epinephrine, and one other.......trigger at the right sight!
     
  6. ChronicWhattever

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    Libertine, you're a pretty cool guy!

    Yes, the soul mate theory is complete garbage. You said a lot, so I'd like to chip in something you didn't delve into: Numbers. What do I mean? Well first, take the BDSM/S&M community. For a submissive male who likes having his ass kicked (Like me), there are about 19 other males to compete with, just to find one woman. (Around 20 male submisives for every female dominant) Take China, where in some places, males outnumber females by ten to one due to breeding policies. If there was a "soul mate" for everyone, it would mean that true love has nothing to do with sexual compatibility, nothing to do with sexual fulfillment, and in some places, that to meet that special someone you'd have to force yourself into homosexuality.

    True love doesn't STATISTICALLY work. If you want to see in bright colors why it doesn't make numerical sense, I'll make you a fucking pie chart.

    I'd also like to commend you for your pointing out that there is no evidence for a soul. All too often, people in here run around with their petty astrological and religious superstitions and pollute people's heads with ideas that were formed from desire, laziness, denial and escapism rather than logic. The word "spiritual" is also thrown around a lot here. I guess though, that part of being a modern hippie is being an irrational Jackass... It used to be about the peace and the music... Now it's about new age stores and being a misinformed dickweed.
     
  7. lace_and_feet

    lace_and_feet Super Member

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    LOL! Great points.
     
  8. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Thanks!

    Your input was exactly what I was talking about. The facts are out there in front of everyone-- just look at them!

    I got off on this tangent because all too often (like lace_and_feet said) I have friends who get involved in these bullshit relationships and the only thing that keeps them together is that load of fucking Hollywood hogwash.

    Love is more beautiful than that FAKE GARBAGE, man.

     
  9. lindseybug

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    i stole this from one of my favourite books:
    "" dear angel juan,
    do you know when they say soul-mates? everybody uses it in personal ads. "soul-mate wanted." it doesn't mean too much now. but soul-mates--think about it. when your soul--whatever that is anyway--something so alive when you make music or love and so mysteriously hidden most of the rest of the time, so colorful and big but without color or shape--when your soul finds another soul it can recognize even before the rest of you knows about it. the rest of you just feels sweaty and jumpy at first. and your souls get married without even meaning to--even if you can't be together for some reason in real life, your souls just goes ahead and makes the wedding plans. a soul's wedding must be too beautiful to even look at. it must be blinding. it must be like all the weddings in the world--gondolas with canopies of doves, chapagne glasses shattering, wings of veils, drums beating, flutes and trumpets, showers of roses. and after that happens you know--that's it, this is it. but sometimes you have to let that person go. when you're little, people, movies, and fairy tales all tell you that one day you're going to meet this person. so you keep waiting and it's a lot harder than they make it sound. then you meet and you think, okay, now we can just get on with it but you find out that sometimes your soul brother partner lover has other ideas about that. they want to go to new york and write their own songs or whatever. they feel like you don't really love them but the idea of them, the dream you've had since you were a kid about a partner boy to carry you out of the forest of your fear or and angel to make love and celestial music with in the clouds or a genie twin to sleep with you inside a lamp. which doesn;t mean they're not the one. it just means you've got to do whatever you have to do for you alone. you've got to believe in your magic and face right up to the mean nasty part of yourself that wants to keep the one you love locked up in a place in you where no one else can touch them or even see them. just the way when somebody you love dies you don't stop loving them but you don't lock up their souls inside of you. you turn that love into something else, give it to somebody else. and sometimes in a weird way when you do that you get closer than ever to the person who died or the one your soul married."
     
  10. lace_and_feet

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    Care to explain that passage, lindseybug? Marriage of souls? It just doesn't make sense to me. What's the point behind soul mates if they're not even going to be together?
     
  11. paintballer687

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    A chemical reaction, eh? You claim that love and emotion is all because of quarks and leptons being governed by the laws of physics?
     
  12. CloudFlower

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    Soul mates are not bullshit a soulmate is someone you can look at while their sleeping for days without the smile wipeing from your face. Someone you can show or tell anything without them frowning upon you... Not bullshit just very hard to find the one for you
     
  13. lindseybug

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    i think that there are many soulmates out there for one person...it's just finding the one that fits best with your lifestyle. and the marriage of souls thing...haven't you liked someone so much you think your going to marry them? The point is that you learn about yourself and what you need on the journey of looking for the soulmate that is best for you.
     
  14. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Ha ha... I knew many of you would get on here, ignore the facts, and recite a bunch of enchanted poetry to me, but provide NO EVIDENCE for your claims.

    Where is the evidence for "soul mates" ??? What about reality? What about thousands of "soul mates" suddenly dropping dead or leaving and the other half of the "soul mate" duo finds yet ANOTHER "soul mate"?? How many fucking souls do we have?? :D ha ha...

    Please...the truth is...that there is NO evidence for souls to begin with and, furthermore, FACTS, HISTORY, and COMMON SENSE prove otherwise.

    Just look at the world around you. You either have chemistry with someone or you don't.

    It's not magic. It's not "God". It's not souls. It's not spirits.

    It's not "forever." It is either for a few days, few months, few years or until YOU die. If if they die, you keep loving them (possibly) until YOU die.

    It's not "forever", it's not "souls" and all that FAKE, poetic tripe is nice fiction, but not reality.

    Reality is more beautiful.

    It's purely a chemical energy.

    Just because we strip away all the layers of enchanted horseshit and call it what it truly is-- LOVE IS REAL, BUT IT IS NATURAL-- doesn't lessen its value.

    No Sky Daddy hands it out or spreads it everywhere.

    It's not some invisible phantom cupid shooting arrows in people's asses.

    It is a NATURAL, PURE, CHEMICAL ENERGY. And THAT is beautiful.
     
  15. ChronicWhattever

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    Hey buddy, could you write a flyer or something? Some kind of pamphlet? The world needs to wake up and listen to you.

    Listen, people. The thought that through divine intervention, there is a person catered specifically for you and exactly of your type, but you have to find them? That is BULLSHIT. Did I not just TELL YOU my statistics before? I am a man who can only be in relationships where his ass is kicked and he is abused. I am a masochist. I need a sadist girl. Masochist guys outnumber sadist girls 20-1 or MORE.

    IS THIS NOT STATISTICAL PROOF THAT NOT EVERYONE GETS A SOULMATE?!!! Or do "freaks" like me not count? Do I need to bring in the fucking pie chart? The next poster for the other side had better adress this shit... If soul mates are real, does decent sex count? Because if even BAREABLE sex counts, there is automatically no suc hthing as a soulmate.

    I will go BACK to China because either no one read what I wrote last time or everyone was just too daunted by an argument with facts and approximate numbers. China: 10 men per 1 girl in some places. Soul mates don't statistically work there. At all. ARE YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE GETTING THIS?

    Okay, so a couple posters found people they love. So that's proof of soulmates? As Libertine said, inteligent people know that there is no such thing as a soul. You could take a look at any superstition you hold sacred, and it's garbage. You neohippies are scared of reality, and I have zero tolerence for superstitious fucks, unless they're in some peasant village for Africa. You guys are in the civilized world; Grow the fuck up.





    On a side note: if ANYONE is to post for the defence of "Soul mates", then AT LEAST tell me what you think of my numbers. I claim to disprove your theory with soem basic statistics and you ifnore my evidence?
     
  16. lindseybug

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    who's fault is that that the population in china is more male than female.

    and no one said that soul-mates are going to be right next door. there are some you never get to meet. some are lucky. go away for a long stay and meet the person they spend their life with.
     
  17. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Where is the evidence for a "soul mate"?

    Either admit it is a human construct of poetic language or provide evidence for such a claim...

    "Soul mates" are nothing more than a fantasy spin denial of reality, I say. And I believe that the evidence is in my favor.

    If I am missing something here... my ears are open.
     
  18. BodyElectric

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    I always just considered 'soul mates' as a turn of phrase not a religion.

    Sure love is chemical but does that mean that there isn't a person or a few people that could fit each other as snuggly as a receptor and a ligand over all the rest?
     
  19. Allonym

    Allonym cheesecake slut

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    i dont believe in soul mates per se, but there are a number o fpeople out there who you just click with. yeah its probably just chemistry, pheremones and such but to many it feels like soul mates. i dont understand why you want to destroy their perception of that, but, i guess its your prerogative. i believe in souls personally, but thats -MY- spirituality and -YOU- have -NO- right to tell me what i should and shouldnt feel. even believing in souls i personally dont believe in soul "mates" but thats my choice and im not trying to force my opinion on someone else
     
  20. Cutted

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    Libertine - You just have not found your soulmate.

    I found mine, a year after my wife of many years died. I met her at a party I threw at my house, and we have been together ever since - 2.5 years. We are a perfect match: mentally, professionally, physically and emotionally. And our life situation makes it likely that it will work - kids grown (and they all like their parent's partner), both financially secure, love to do the same things - travel, etc., liberal politically, tolerant of people's differences (we are of different races), we live in the same city, and she is a few years younger, but not too much.

    I am lucky - people go their entire life looking for a soulmate, and never finding him or her.
     

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