Socialism Is The Future

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by unfocusedanakin, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Those who hate capitalism merely hate how the market judges their economic value.
     
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  2. I wouldn't like capitalism even if the market judged me as having a high economic value, because I don't hate the poor.
     
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  3. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The US has the worst social record in the developed world, and it is quite fair to say capitalists hate each other.
     
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  4. 6-eyed shaman

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    Socialists love the poor

    That’s why their economic models create so many of them
     
  5. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Socialists ARE the poor! I suppose you think they should hate themselves? Do you really believe the wealthy are going to overthrow themselves? Wall Street has a new revolution every time they create the next stock market bubble. My work includes encouraging them to eat each other.
     
  6. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Are not billionaires a result of hard work and the free market? AKA capitalist ideals. So Sanders is implying this class of person will still exist under his tax plan. If for some reason there is no upper class I suppose we would have come to a new stage of human civilization. At that time we could reexamine the tax system or ideally in the communistic way (which I know you think of as the same thing as socialism) maybe we don't even need money period since the services of society are all rights.

    A billionaire class exists as long as there is a worker class to serve them. To buy into a pipe dream simialr to the lotto of a 1 in 10 million shot at winning. Low wages to keep share holders happy is pretty unethical and unfair as well don't you think? Yet under the Libertarian/ right wing economy this is fine. YOU made the company so fuck everyone else. Why don't they make their own business?

    As we see now the middle class is dying. It's not economically possible since we give hand outs to people who don't work and you are saying my goals are that as well. Your average wealthy person in America inherited money they invest to make more money. There are few Bill gates (who likes taxes) but mostly it's Trumps. Daddy had money and I never worked a real job and would refuse to anyway.
     
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  7. Nudist4u

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    What happens when you have spent everyone else's money?
     
  8. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    You point your guns at someone else.
     
  9. parua

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    You find out that you're not a bit happier from having spent it all.
     
  10. I do all the work, you get all the money. Capitalism in a nutshell.
     
  11. unfocusedanakin

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    We move on to bartering with pretty rocks and furs again.
     
  12. Nudist4u

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    The future of global socialism,
     
  13. wooleeheron

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    Forget about local and global socialism, what is coming is organic socialism based on first principles. So far, socialism has been a steam engine going nowhere fast, precisely because its never been organic enough to actually out perform capitalism. The age of empires must give way to the age of self-organizing communities capable of better leveraging the emerging technology. AI will provide the necessary means for organizing and creating entirely new cultures, based on pantheistic and panenthistic ideas, that will dominate the world for several eons to come, in much the same way classical metaphysics and religions have up to this point. Classical logic is rapidly becoming self-defeating and self-contradictory, while we are gaining a new mastery of fuzzy logic and quantum mechanics which can be 10,000x to a million times faster and more efficient, taking leaps and shortcuts classical logic and capitalism forbid.

    Over a trillion dollars was invested in AI research in the last year alone, while the physicists are rapidly closing in on a theory of everything and the computers are approaching the capacity of the human brain, and about to reach a million times faster. Trust me, this will not be anything like anybody has imagined thus far. Our technology and even the data we have collected are taking on a life of their own, and humanity is about to be swept along with them. Forget all the metaphysical causal bullshit, this is the rubber meeting the road in quantum mechanics.
     
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  14. AI is nowhere near human intelligence, and the AI researchers I've heard talk about it say it never will be, that it's impossible to make a machine sentient. And as to physicists rapidly closing in on a theory of everything...yeah, they wish. Right now quantum mechanics and general relativity are at complete odds, with no sign of it being rectified in the near future. I think you're counting your chickens before they're hatched, so to speak. It's probably going to be a number of years before any major changes occur. We'll probably see human immortality before we have machines that can think like a human being or a theory of everything.
     
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  15. unfocusedanakin

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    I'm also hopeful a black transgender leader will put white males in camps. I mean Marx did not write about that but it will bring socialism into the 21st century. Do we really need white men anymore?
     
  16. Nudist4u

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    Global multiculturalists are never made welcome in true Nations.
     
  17. unfocusedanakin

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    So you ignore the examples in history of different cultures living together? You are a black person, you are an Asian person. If you bothered to understand science and genetics you would see how silly you sound trying to separate yourself. When white people could not read in Europe and were afraid of witches and burning books Islam lead the world in math and science.

    Do you know why Jews did not get the Black Death as often? They washed and taught the Christians how to do it. Most people then thought cleaning yourself was bad and it robbed the body of what it needed. Even kings with wealth only took a bath once or twice a year. The stench in court was tremendous. Yet I'm sure you think white Christians are the only "civilized ones".

    Socialism is the next step in this kind of logic. First we wash next we learn how to work together.
     
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    This flys in the face of every statistic on the concentration of wealth in the US. A small number of families control a huge proportion of the wealth and taxes don’t make a dent. The concentration is increasing...you need to learn about gini coefficients.
    Worse, the wealthy have a stranglehold on the system. Laws about deregulation and reckless tax cuts have accelerated the problem. And the”death tax” issue is a classic Trojan horse. The vast majority of Americans have not owed inheritance tax...not now not ever. We need to be very wary of excessive inter generational wealth transfer among the wealthy.
     
  19. Anyway, could it be any worse than what happens after they've taken all of our money? We pay taxes too. And medical bills. And half the time our tax dollars are used so that someone like Trump can have a shitty parade or play golf. There is so much money just floating around in this country that we can lose $21,000,000,000,000 and no one bats an eye. And yet we're supposed to worry about depleting the wealth of billionaires by making them pay whole thousands of dollars in taxes. Meanwhile the rest of us don't make living wages, and we pay our taxes, and we can't even afford the medicine that keeps us alive. And the oligarchy does not give a flying fuck if we live or die. But we feel sorry for them. Okay. WTF
     
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    Only person preventing you from earning a living wage is yourself..
     

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