So you all think meth is bad?

I personally don't think that meth is bad at all. I think that every drug can make you fall to your knees. Some quicker than others. But I do not think that one drug is worse than another for any reason! They all have certain times and uses. I think meth is kind of the paradigm of stimulates, kind of like LSD is for hallucinogens. You would not run up and use 10 hits of acid for the first time, just like you should know not to use meth more than logical. Yeah there are less intense drugs of their categories, but you don't use those because they are perfectly safe do you? Otherwise we would not use drugs at all, right?

I guess me questions are, why do you think meth is a "evil" drug? All these people who supposedly don't listen to the media and are individuals seem to have the same story. Explain.

P.S. I feel the wave coming, but I think I can explain the logic.

 

i get what you're saying.

i agree that any drug is ok in moderation, as long as you consider the effects of that drug.

and a big part of meth is its addiction potential, so if anyone's gonna try it they need to understand that.


i wouldn't do it myself, just because of the risk of addiction... also its effects don't really seem too desirable either, compared to most other drugs.

 

no, i don't think meth is bad. i think meth is a drug. don't jump to conclusions.

a drug is incapable of being exclusively good or bad on its own, in the vast majority of cases. there are legitimate uses of methamphetamine, and these can be very positive at times.

however in many people it can also be enormously addictive, especially when injected, smoked, or insufflated. methamphetamine addiction can be particularly destructive, and among drug users i generally find fans of meth to be particularly unlikable and distasteful.

but there's nothing that makes meth "bad" on its own, it's all how it's used, and all the dimensions of what that entails (dose, route of administration, frequency, intent, etc.).

 

well i think they're evil drugs because they steal your soul. heroin, cocaine, meth... these are all things that will take the best person in the world and turn them into a conniving thieving piece of shit easily.

psychedelics and hallucinogens in general aren't evil, because they won't do that to you to the extent of the above, shit i don't even know how you're trying to compare the two.

meth isn't the only evil drug, but its one of the few which i'd say are heroin, cocaine [crack], and meth. yea...

obviously its up to the user, but like come on, you can't say something that will steal your soul isn't evil, in my opinion.

 

I totally agree with you. I, myself, would never try meth. The long term effects and addiction potential scare the hell out of me!

 

Yes, I think meth is bad. I tried it several times in the early 70's, and I enjoyed it very much. It actually helped me get laid the first time. But even then we knew you would get strung out if you used too much. So, I only used it about 3 times ever.

Some people here are saying that the meth of today is much worse than what I experienced. I don't know, because I haven't tried it since then. But it seems we know a lot more now about the brain damage it causes. Generally, I don't believe what the government says about drugs, but I DO believe what I've heard about the bad effects of meth.

 

If you think that meth damages the brain then you think that all drugs "damage" the brain, correct? The brain damage it causes is like that of MDMA but on dopamine receptors instead of serotonin. There have been studies that show that the neurotoxic effect of MDMA and meth can be minimized by doing certain things. Plus, it isn't really "damage" just changes. Neurogenesis occurs on dopamine and serotonin receptors in their respective concentration points, the hypothalamus for example, after destroying receptors in the cerebral cortex. Although this may take as long as 6 months, they do come back.

I think if you understand a drug and respect it (like I was hinting at in the LSD analogy) that you can control yourself and use it to your advantage. Even if that is heroin, crack, or meth. There is probably not much "learning" that can be done from those drugs, but they have their uses, right? Pain relief, studying for a test, or (I can't think of one for crack but I will later if you want). I think that banning certain drugs and not others is slight hypocrisy. I do agree however that most people are weak and they do not have enough self control. They let themselves do bad things even though they know its wrong because they don't care. I used pretty good for 6 months and stopped cold turkey without EVER craving it bad. I don't believe it stole my soul. Hey! I was the nicest person on it too! Never got into a fight or stole anything over it.

I guess the main thing is though that most people can not handle it. I do not think though that we should make it a taboo and the "dirty" drug because most humans let it control them. I guess I can only say my fav. websites saying. Know mind. Know your body. Know your substance. (something like that...)

 

No, I don't agree that all drugs cause brain damage. I've done LSD over 50 times and I don't think it did me any harm. Every drug is different. The evidence I've seen leads me to believe that meth causes much more brain damage than most other drugs. Don't kid yourself.

 

Don't kid myself? I am not kidding anyone. Do most people agree with alexander shulgin that most of the drug experience is in your head? If so, would it not be possible that because everyone saw it as bad it was bad? (to them)

I am guessing that you have never ran into the cid head before. I know I have and they are more fucked up than meth heads. In the fact that they can't even carry on a normal conversation, they are dirty, and they are not doing well in life...

This is why I love and defend america! You have the right to be wrong!

 

This is why meth will never enter my body:

 

What's "cid head"?

 

someone who takes acid....more than they should

 

Bottom line:

Meth sucks. I like to get high, that isn't being high.... it's called cleaning.

 

If I recall correctly, the prisoners at dachau looked a lot like that without drugs. If a human stops eating and stops brushing their teeth they will look the same. The teeth is from lack of saliva to fend off bacteria and not brushing your teeth. The weight thing is obvious.

 

Factor in being awake for days at a time for months on end.

 

The question is....

Are you willing to play with fire?

 

People use fire all the time. It is known its dangerous, but we learned how to use it right? I know I have control over myself over any substance. But yeah just being awake for more than a few days causes brain damage. Maybe meth alone isn't as bad as most people think. Just using it the WRONG WAY! that applies to most drugs. :beatdeadhorse5:

 

Let me guess...you know a guy who knows a guy who has a brother who knows a guy who took acid and now thinks he is a glass of orange juice?



Anyways...I don't judge anybody solely on the drugs they do. Sure they have stereotypes, but it's not always true. Methamphetamine really is more harsh on the body and brain then MDMA though. You mentioned studies. There was a study that tried to completely bash MDMA, and it turned out that the researched accidentaly gave the rats Methamphetamine, and NOT MDMA.

 

I have heard of this accidental claim of the study of meth. It is also well known that meth is more neurotoxic than MDMA. I won't argue that. But the average dosage unit is also smaller. I guess the main point is, learn to use it the right way. Then use it that way.

No, I don't have a friend of etc.. I am not talking about a situation like that. I mean they used to much and they are dirty whack jobs that think in a divergent manner. In a bad way though.

BUT My friends uncle knew someone in San Fransisco who had a friend that did some acid in the 60's and he stared at the sun because he thought he was a telescope! So now I make those analogies!

 

LSD + Sun is a huge rumor too

As I said, I don't judge people who do drugs I don't do. I have tried Meth, quite a few times. It just didn't good to me. It felt like a "dirty" high, almost like a overhyped cocaine buzz. With a longer duration, but a longer and harsher comedown.