So what happend after...?

what happend after your first bad trip on psychedelics, whether shrooms or acid? not just overwhelming, but truelly frightfull scary fucking terrible?

i dont know. im just curious as to what effect some of these bad trips have had on people. im curious cause i had what a would deffinatly call a bad trip on the weekend. if you want to read it i posted it the magic mushrooms forum titeld "damn! bad trip".
reason i post here, is cause i love the acid forum, and i think you guys are very wise.
just now im feeling deprseed, and my previous good trips made me more of who i am, more confident and happy, now im doubtfull, scared, and it feels perculiar to talk. feels like a bit of pcyhoscsis or soomthing. my friends at work tellin me i cant even talk properly now, mumble of incorent things.
i only post cause i it would be helpfull to see that what yous think. i happend fri and now its sunday, so ill probably be ok in a few days...
i apreciate any feedback i can get.

 

after a trip i had as a kid a friend and i had we stopped being friends completly on the mere fact that i saw what kind of person he was when i was on acid.

i had brought some weed to smoke for our come down and while i was walking around in my backyard for an hour or so he smoked all of my weed then proceeded to tell me how shit the acid was. this instantly put me into a bad state of mind and for the next hour i layed face first on the floor with a constant stream of depressive thoughts coming at me. some friends rocked up and i chilled out for a while wen everyone started laughing and talking again but i couldnt stop thinking how much i would like to smash his face again and again into a brick wall even though he was my best friend.

i could never look or think about him the same again and its probably a good thing, strangely enough i havent had any bad trips since then. some people just do not understand how vulnerable your brain can be on LSD and how something as small as that can change your views forever

 

describe what you mean by "psychosis"

i have been in a meth induced psychosis for many weeks at a time during some of my binges. generally having some kind of "psychosis" would render you almost completly unable to even type your thoughts onto the computer at all. i sometimes can forget where i am or feel like theres a coffin or small box around me, that i might fall through the earth at any point into molten lava, that cameras are everywhere (my teeth become listening devices for the government), ive thought family members are trying to poison me with food and water, same with bottles of soda from the store.

i think maybe you had a bad trip that had a big effect on your life maybe? its not psychosis, but maybe depression following the trip or something similar. wait it out a couple of weeks and see how you go if it keeps bothering, seek professional help.

all the best

 

there is no such thing as psychosis. "psychosis" is a term used by psychiatrists who have no fucking clue about what they are talking about. there is no evidence that they base their diagnosis on.

i understand that you are not feeling your normal good self so something is obviously wrong but i it is dangerous to start labeling such things in a way that "the system" wants you to label them.

lay off the drugs for a few months. maybe smoke a little weed(i really do mean a little bit) spend some good quiet time alone to reconnect with yourself. you have to bring yourself back to where you would like to be. it could be very easy for you to do the wrong thing and cause more problems. you have to remain positive and optimistic that everything will be fine. you had a very powerful experience but there is no reason to believe that you are going to be fucked up forever - unless you want to listen to the nut jobs.

i dont think you should alienate yourself but i do think you could use the time alone. hanging out with your friends at this point might have them all thinking that you have lost it and they probably wont be too much help with your problem. i would still hang out once and a while but for the next few months i would spend more time alone then i did before. try meditation - even the process of leaning how to meditate can be very healing.

 

I agree with this post. When you are definitely being effected by the drug, and things seem to be going good without a doubt, sometimes the stupidest things can totally start turning the whole trip around. This instance would have definitely pissed me off if they were actually a 'best friend'. I don't know about you but the people I classify as best friend's would never go and smoke all my weed without thinking about my share if I was planning on sharing it, and if it did happen I'd think they were joking or were at least going to pay me back and offer many sorry's for the act. But if your friend just smoked it like nothing happened, and didn't even try and get in touch with you again or talk / work it out after that situation, then they were probably not even much of a friend to begin with.

My bad trips usually occur when I take enough of the substance to destroy my ego, I mean there's been a good amount of times where I handled this well and just kept going on with the visuals and thinking nothing of it, but sometimes I just keep putting thoughts of fear into my head. Usually after a bad trip I'm just extremely burnt out for the day and day after, but usually happy to survive it with whatever I came up with for a positive outlook when it was all happening to me.

I guess it's always the idea of being removed from reality, like being in a situation (in most cases me just chilling at a friends house, in there room, tripping on very loud music), but not understanding after a while why I am there, or where I am, or what I am doing. Like being there but unresponsive to everything going around, or what exactly makes reality, reality, just totally being removed from me and I feel an emptiness (usually accompanied by the craziest visuals ever). Though just telling myself "It's all because of a drug that I feel this way", helps me out of it most of the time.

My bad trips haven't effected me much, but if I could rewind a few months ago I would of been more open to believe everybody here that this shit definitely burns you out after frequent use.

 

"there is no such thing as psychosis. "psychosis" is a term used by psychiatrists who have no fucking clue about what they are talking about. there is no evidence that they base their diagnosis on."

come on of course theres such thing as psychosis, psychosis is THE term used to DESCRIBE when people are in a psychotic state. Myself and hundreds of thousands of people all over the world who have been in that position would definitly disagree with you on that. Not to mention those same doctors are the people you'd have to go if you ever suffered from an extremely bad trip, which can happen to anyone. Thats probably the most unintelligent thing ive read from you 3xi

other then that very good advice 3xi

 

I think 3xi is just trying to get on the fact that a good amount of times psychiatrists are just willing to label you with having it after seeing a few of the traits in the person they are looking at. Psychiatrists are quick to label people (manic) depressive and bipolar, but are also quick to label people drug-seeking when they want something to treat a depression they concluded they had on their own without the help of a psychiatrist.

Psychosis is definitely real and definitely something some people believe they have due to the way they get mentally, but to actually have it would be a different story. Some people may or may not have it, but apparently 3xi believes if a psychiatrist tells you, then it must be false.

 

"a good amount of times psychiatrists are just willing to label you with having it after seeing a few of the traits in the person they are looking at."

-i disagree with that sorry swoosh, people are usually not diagnosed with anything without at least a month or 2 maybe even 3 with constant visits to all kinds of doctors. sure youve got the bad doctors out there who just want to wack you on any expensive drug they can to ethir get rid of you or make more money, but theres bad people in any thing.

 

you misunderstand...

psychosis is just a word. i am not saying that you can not enter a state of mind that is horribly wrong and scary. i have experienced what you describe as psychosis myself. i am not going to label it anything in attempts to describe what i was going through.

there is no way in hell that i would ever go to a doctor because of a bad trip. all they will do is plop a label on you, tell you to take their drugs and suggest that you stop taking LSD. if you have a bad trip and need some help it is always better to seek out someone with relevant experience - ie. another tripper.

 

ah ok i understand what you mean now. I say psychosis because straight away anyone can kind of at least know what im talking about rather then going into a massive list of of symptoms. i hate the word myself

 

Even still, I think you are missing the point I'm making. Everybody is different, each with their own individual minds. Whether you'd like to call certain people similar, it's totally up to you. Imagine you were never taught anything, you wouldn't be much more of a person than what is your personal instinct. You act certain ways to certain situations because you know what types of situations are negative, and others are good, but even what is to be considered negative and good is again taught by the society you are in.

When people start acting certain ways, whether it be in through a trial of visits for analysis, they still label you with the disease that best fits your characteristics you show. Who is to say that two people have the same exact problem, even if it is the same exact disease? And especially to say that a certain type of pill can help that certain type of problem (when the problems may ultimately not even be the same).

That is my point

 

yo man. i had some bad trips before. and i had the same thing. i felt like life was pointless. i couldnt even smoke weed without geeking out. i actually starting having anxiety. trust me man, a few months and youll be all fine. it takes awhile but the feeling eventually just goes away. lay off the drugs. stick to the beer.

 

thanks for all the help. my last question for now is. well. umm. now that this trip has 'knocked my ego down a few points', do you think in a few months another either lsd or shroom trip would be advisable, perhaps a good trip, will take me to the place i was in, i was in an amazing state of mind, i had never been so happy, and confident and social. i think its all been blown away. i guess its too early to say, ill just wait and see ay. all i can think of to say is thanks, but i mean so much more.

iv had psychosis about 2 years ago. its a long story. but i had all these realisations about aliens, and i had been takin by aliens, and they had saved my life when i was a kid, when i had blacked out, and i was having flashes of the experience come back to me. i had tried to contact the aliens thro an M&M tube, and placed that tube on my desk at school all week, untill my friends tried to take it off me and i went skits. they had to restrain me.
my friends brain tried to leeech into mine, just ran out of class freaked. so many weird things. seeing schools of fish in trees. my consciousness felt like it was falling onto the ground as i was sitting. planned to kill myself. just talkin to somone was soo strange, youd be having shifts in consciousness as you talked to them.

so you see when i was on shrooms, and those alien thoughts came to me, fuck it was frightening.


my sister has border-line personality dissorder, and has had psychotic 3rd perspective breaks a few times, while not on any drugs.
she was in the city in a state of complete unawarness, all cut up, and was surrounded by police and security for ages, while she had a knife dripping blood. ambulance officiers their and all. she landed in an insitute for a few days for sure that time.

 

I have a lot of experience with psychotic states. I would transition in my thinking and believe some things that really terrified me for several months. I would rarely sleep and never at night. Some of the things which I was thinking that horrified me I came to terms with and are true. Some of the best advice about it I ever got was to "just approach everything in life with an attitude of 'whatever'." By this I mean, psychosis stems from the fear of death or fear of what the general public does not consider to be real. Aliens, government cover-ups, matrix realities, all of these thoughts plagued my mind for too long. I came to understand that if any of these ideas are true, which they have to be, then why do I really care? If I die tomorrow, why do I care? If my world turns into some magical fantasy world where normal logic doesnt really explain much, then wonderful. Whatever may be may be... Whatever, ya know? Just do exactly what you want at the moment you wanna do it until you die and dont worry about the things you cannot control. So you are smart enough to see that the world isnt how it is portrayed in sitcoms or taught in schools, use your intelligence to lead a content and peaceful life where you do what YOU want to do and are not influenced by society or other people. You are a unique person, you think differently than a normal human. You can use this to escape the pressure and anxiety of foolish human social life. Be your own unique person and break on through to a world where you choose to feel content no matter what happens and what exists! good luck to everyone and let me tell you that I know that psychosis is hell. It is the worst feeling in the world, nothing can compare to all out mental torture which I and many others feel during these excruciating ventures. Life after this hell of psychosis is like heaven. People who never know what that hell is like usually dont appreciate life as much and dont live in heaven. your mind is different and strong and powerful, use it to feel how you wanna feel.

 

I feel what you are going through and I can tell you this.
It is not important what others think about you or your belives. You must know (or learn) who you are. When you know what you belive and who you are, than it is very easy to act "normal". By that I mean that you will be able to feel what people would like to hear or see and to act according to that. It is very easy to manipulate the people than and to have them very pleased with your self. I am saying this because belive it or not, I am IT Manager in a huge multinational company, and I wouldn't be able to be that if I didn't know what people like to hear, but on the other side I know what I belive and who I am, and nobody can change that. I am still tripping hard and regularly, do you think that I would be able to keep my job if they new that? Why I am telling you all of this? Because it is very important to know WHO YOU ARE!! I think that you are very confused between what you are feeling and what society is clarifying as "normal" and that is making you have bad trips as you are always fighting between society's normal and what you are really feeling and beliving. There is nothing wrong if you belive in aliens and even if you had a some kind of a contact with them, or anything else from your "wonderland", but I think you are scared that others will think that you are crazy. Just develop the "feeling" to who you can speak about what, but never forget who you are!! I never had a bad trip in my life, including the occasion when by mistake I was pretty fucked on acid even on the work, so I may never know exactly how you are feeling, but all I told you probably helped me so I don't have a bad trip. Just knowing that only you know what you feel, and that others don't know it automaticaly will help you relax and enjoy that feeling, and you can still act "normal" even if you have those feeling deep inside you, just don't share them with people who don't understand it.

I hope this made some sence to you!

Also elfin1mf gave you a great advice, just accept everything that comes your way without fear! Fear of what?!?!

 

That answer only you know. I always advise anybody who is scared from it rather not to do it. But, if you decide in your mind that you need to go fight your ghosts, than go ahead. The only advice I can give you is DON'T FORGET TO REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE!
I wil tell you a story that I had the opportunity to see.
There was a mentaly retarded guy (not psycotic or something similar) and 2 very bad person wanted to have fun and they gave him acid. When I heard that I wanted to kill them, but since the person was already retarded and not warring at all what will anybody say about it, he actually had a wonderfull trip. He told me that he had a time of his life after. So, you know that 3xi is always saying "set and settings" and he is completely right about it. If you are ready for another trip in your mind set, and have a good setting, I can only say go ahead boy, go for the gold! But if one of those is not ok, please wait some more and try to find yourself!
In any case I can say that all of us here love you and if you need to talk about anything, you will find that here. Here you are at home! Here we are all "crazy" and we all "speak" same "language"!

 

i think that what you are going through thanx to your trip is actually good for you. by the sounds of it you were kind of living in a bubble thinking that everything is happy go lucky. being happy, confident and social is a great thing but can get in the way of looking at life realistically. sometimes you need to be reminded of how things are not so wonderful so you can make a difference. maybe there is something that you must do to make your life better. maybe the confidence and happiness was in a way distracting you from what has to be done. i dont know exactly what you are going through as you didnt write too much about it but from what you are saying i think that you are just going through a very natural and necessary change. it is good for us to go through times of uncertainty as it makes us stronger. i have the feeling that if you were to continue in the mind frame that you were in (confident and happy) that you would have walked head first into a wall. this trip happened to you for a reason and i am sure you will get through this.

to answer your question. - yes, i think that as soon as you feel up to another trip go for it. but i would wait at least a few months just to be safe. spend the next while looking for ways to brighten your day without the drugs. i am sure you will get through this and i am pretty sure that this will not be the only time that you go through this. actually i think that in some way these things are good for us – they help us see the big picture with more clarity and make us stronger in the process.

elfin1mf - has some good advice

 

thanks so much for the advice everyone. i deffinatly feel better reading these things. and i think the trip was good for me, in that i have probably learnt the most from it.
i had it coming but, in the last 5 weeks, i prob did way to much drugs, im sure not as much as some, but i did acid, two 4 gram shrooms trips, methamphetamine, 50 ritalin, 7 e's, not to mention all the weeks before doin between 4-8 pills a week, alcholoe and weed, all while workin between 45-50 hours a week as a food and beverage attendant at a 5 star restuarant.

i had a dream about aliens last night. but it was amazing, wasnt scary at all.
we were in a plane on a beatiiful tropical island, and there was this black smoke in the air being trailed from somthing that was crashing, but the smoke was in a perfect line, and the way it stood out in the tropical place was amazing.
me and somone went over to the water where it had crashed, and we were about to go in, it was all very strange, the way we put on this mask thing, and then somone tellin us that the aliens were tryin to harvest us humans. then the guy in the mask next to me, that had a pipe connected to me, just started peein in the water from a point above the water somhow, he was a very strange guy, but had a personality of his own. the details were amazing, and i wasnt afraid to go down there. but i woke up i think.

had another dream about work sort of.
all the restaurant tables had been put out on the streets, and i was walking up and down the 'corridors' of the street, and it went for miles, and i had to run up and down. it sucked. heh.

oh welll. thanks again guys. ill let yous know

 

Are you satisfied with your job? I really hate to work in food service, the people are demanding for the most part. When a person is hungry it is easy to forget that other people have feelings because you sort of subconciously focus your mind on getting food as a first priority. It never hurts to spend some time applying for other jobs, and who knows, you might find something that you really like that pays more. I am not suggesting you quit, just that you keep your options open.

 

i know. tonight. there was one booking. 3 staff including me. turns out the whole restaurant is absolutly packed, all walk-ins, and i mean tables of 8 and 10 to them. and one of the guys from a table of 10 said, somthing like, "arhh why didnt you get more staff in' or some shit. well the fucker himself didnt even book.
just hate the shit some customers come up with. then theres tho's who try n' get a free meal and free bottle of wine, first their like after i pour their wine, thats its not cold enough, it was in the fridge ofcourse all day and night, and previos day just like normal, then their like take it back, then they bitch about the food, so many fuck-wit customers.
but its not all bad, just the other week one of the christmas functions, tipped us $500. split amougst the staff attending them, me and 4 others. so 100 bucks, plus my normal hourly rate. so tips is good. and they did give me a raise cause i told them i had another job. so i quit the job i told them i had. so its ok. plus i get free beers and free food every time i work. just the hours and that.