So sick of left vs right, why do Americans buy into the political/media class labels?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Shane99X, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Left and Right can largely be considered as points in ones perception.

    Like Upstate New York.................

    Well just where the hell IS Upstate New York?

    Depends on who you ask, thats all.. To somebody on Long Island or Jersey it could be The Hudson Highlands. Then again someone in Albany considers "Upstate" to be The Adirondaks.

    Seems Upstate is always where somebody else lives!
     
  2. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    Haven't I?
     
  3. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    I am a proud individualist
     
  4. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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  5. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Shane

    “Be loud, be proud, come on out of the political closet and say what you think.”

    Haven't I?

    So you are now proud about being a right wing libertarian but that still leaves unaddressed all those questions about why you are a right wing libertarian.

    As I’ve said and explained at several times often at some length to be me libertarianism would inevitably lead to a plutocratic oligarchy with a tendency to be authoritarian toward those not in the right class.


    Your only response seems to be that it wouldn’t but you don’t seem able to defend it against that charge so why do you remain a right wing libertarian?

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  6. Balbus

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    Def

    The only problem is that individualism is often just a cover for a selfish attitude an ‘I’m all right jack, or ‘fuck you’ mentality that gives little thought to others in a community.

    I’ve meet a number of people here that have called themselves individualists and some were open about not caring about what happened to anyone beyond themselves and their immediate family, other have been more circumspect but often seem to harbour very similar views.

    The thing is people are individuals but they live within a community of other individuals and there must be some way to balance between the rights and needs of the individual and the other individuals within that community.

    And if an individual has no regard for the community of individuals what is to stop them getting involved in actions that might be detrimental to another individual or the community of individuals?

    So at what point are the actions of an individual that are detrimental to another individual or the community of individuals to be tolerated?

    Whose rights are more paramount those of the individual or those of the community?
     
  7. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    I don't really understand your questions. Not being an ass here. I find myself disagreeing with many stances, even those that I may be inclined to back. I enjoy looking at all of the angles and assume the position of each stance just to see what will come of it.

    I personally study what it is to be a human, and look into the core of human nature by investigating the oldest tribes on earth, and the peoples that seem to be the most successful. I define success as the pursuit of happiness and whether or not that pursuit brings about any real results.

    What it means to be a fully healthy minded individual and what it takes to get there, and whether or not the same path can be arrived at differently - What are the basic core principals and requirements to reach this, etc

    I really don't know what else to write to respond to your questions because I hardly understand the questions. And if I did understand, I would have to write out a college thesis as to what exactly I mean by individualist.
     
  8. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Def

    I’m sorry if I haven’t explained myself clearly I’ll try and put it another way –

    A person is an individual

    A bunch of people is a community, a village, city, or state.

    What are people to do with a person that acts in a way as to hurt other people?

    Has the person got the right to do what they want or do the other people have the right to stop him/her?

    It a bit simplified but does that make it any clearer for you?
     

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