http://www.care2.com/go/z/24458 In the U.S., polls consistently show that the majority of American Jews support a negotiated two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But in order for this to come to fruition, it's important that American Jews raise their voices in support of a proactive U.S. policy that is both pro-Israel and pro-negotiated peace. It's time to pursue an enduring peace in the region. That's why Care2 is helping the Jewish Alliance for Justice and Peace to convey an important message of peace to President Bush and the U.S. Congress. Our message calls for the timely and full withdrawal of Israeli settlers and troops from the Gaza Strip and the four West Bank settlements. It urges the expansion of direct aid to the Palestinian Authority as an incentive for reining in their violent factions and making badly needed reforms. These are the critical first steps needed to bring both parties back to the negotiating table. Security for Israel can only be achieved through the creation of an economically and politically viable Palestinian state, necessitating an end to Israel's occupation of land acquired during the 1967 war and an end to Palestinian terrorism.
I think that it is time for peace to come to Israel. After all, the Palestinians are not really our enemies, but are our brothers and sisters under the skin. We simply cannot go on like this. So many deaths and so much violence. It is sad beyond words. I wish Dauer was here. I want to hear his opinion on this.
I signed and I am damn proud of it!!! I am not jewish, but many of my friends are. I am very political. I hate injustice anywhere. I try to do my best to fight injustice, here and abroad. Good luck Israel!!!!
What the heck do you mean by this bullshit? I'm in Israel right now, and if you really mean this crap please come over and I'll show you around...
Ok, the Palestinians were brought in by the flagging British Empire:It's the 1940s. India (now India, Bangaladesh and Pakistan)was roiling the waters for freedom, what was left of European Jewry was agitating and slipping into the Biblical homeland, Iraq was stretching its wings (research Lawrence of Arabia on that one) and tha house of Sau'd was eyeing true monarchal power in the Arab Pennensula. So what to the Brits do to try to hold off the Jewish /Zionist cause(s)? Ship a bunch of Beduins into the Levant/Palestine, INCLUDING JORDAN, to up the "Arabic" population, in hopes of popular opinion running against the establishment of ANY Jewish homeland in the region. (After to WWII, Theodore Herzl advocated for Uganda as a possible homeland: he was simply looking to avoid the flames of Shaoh ever again) As you know, Israel was created in 1947, to the dismay of the Arabic world. Many of today's Palestineans are as imported as the European and North African Jewish population. that gives a lot of volitility to negotiations based on religious texts claiming Jerusalem and environs as the crade of their people (it is, we were all nomadic, though) In some ways, this is the worst of sibling rivalry. Now, I'm not overtly Zionistic. Having grown up with the Middle East situation dire as usual, I wish a two-state option could work. On the other hand, I like the idea of Right of Return. I in my heart and soul wish for children to grow up in relative peace, with food and water and no soldiers patrolling the streets, no buses blowing up. I wish for them the stability we know in Western Europe, Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand... I wish that a bus bombing in Israel was as mind boggling as one in London. As a Jew, I want Jerusalem (from Jeru Saalem, city of peace) and the spot that was the Temple (now Dome of the Rock) to be in the Jewish sector. The humanist parts of my mind wish for Jerusalem to know great peace for all its inhabitants. I'm a mere mortal. I cannot know the answer. I've read the Torah and am slogging through Talmud in translation (at the local library) I've read the Quran. and many other holy books. All they want of us is for us to behave well, have some mercy and kindness and love our creator. Would that it could start in the City of Peace.
Note to above: of course there were native Palestinians both Muslim and Jewish, as well as Xtian. I'm saying the Brits created a population swell that contributes heavily to the problems we see today. Shalom Salaaam peace
The only time the Arabs have EVER wanted peace is when the Jews have fought back and backed them against the wall. To give land because of terror attacks shows every single terrorist that terrorism DOES work. We hypocritical Americans cheer when our leader says we will NOT negotiate with people who blow up busses and trains yet stand by silently while we force Israel to give away it’s lands and tear Jews from their homes to give to terrorists. We Americans will go half way around the world to fight terrorism yet we shun Israel for doing so within her own boarders. The time has come for Israel to stand up. Stand up and be the sovereign nation it is and not look to the US, to the UN, to ANYONE but G-d! No, this plan will only bring more terrorism and more death.
Really, all the injustices of history and questionable legitimacies of the 'palestinian people' are irrelevant here. (Yeah in response to the retarded arguments people make against Israel's legitimacy such points are often pertinent.) We should judge the two-state solution plan simply in terms of whether, or not, we think it'll most improve the lives of both israelis and 'palestinians' in the future.
“We should judge the two-state solution plan, simply in terms of whether, or not, we think it'll most improve the lives of both jews and 'palestinians'.” Exactly. If anyone can tell me this will be a good thing for Israel, I’m all ears. The Mulas are already preaching that they will create these borders with diplomacy then get the pre ’67 borders through intafada. Do a history lesson and research how the Arabs have responded each and every time Israel has made concessions. They press the attack. Even on the eve of receiving Gush Katif the Palestinians STILL shell the communities there. What makes you think they will stop when they get it? They won’t. Btw- it was announced today that terrorism since 2000 has now claimed more innocent Jewish lives than the Six Day War and the War of Attrition.
I'm sorry, I know this is an old thread, but I can't let this pass. How can you possibly think that the only time that the Arabs have wanted peace is when they've been backed against a wall? They're people, the same as you and me. Do you think that the mothers want to see thier children kill others and be killed? Do you think they want to see thier babies mutilated in bus bombings, or even to see others hurt this way? Thier hearts beat just the same as ours, and thier souls want the same thing as ours, freedom to walk around without soldiers patrolling the streets, to know that they and thier children are safe, for a home and love and safety. I'm not taking a side here, I'm jewish and I have palestinian friends, and honestly I don't really know which side I support, but to say that Arabs don't want peace just as much as anyone else is a horrifying and completly untrue statement, and it makes my heart sad to see.
why thank you, that's very kind :0) It just upset me so much to see that... wait, you're not being sarcastic, right?
Israel didn't start 3 or 4 wars with the arabs... This is a real hot topic, but it seems to me Israel is held to a higher moral standard in their dealings with the Palestinians than the Palestinians are held to in their dealings with the Israelis.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I guess saying regurgitate may have made it look that way, but there was no intended sarcasm. Leprosy, I agree that Israel is held to a higher moral standard. Why do you think that is?
I'm not completely sure, honestly. Good PR on the part of the Palestinians? If you want to get religious about it, there's always the whole "light unto the nations" thing... maybe Israel is held to a higher standard because their role in this world is the "guiding light" Either way, Israel is the center of the world, and everyone has their eyes on it. I just wish the fighting would stop. Has anyone ever been there?
Yes, a lot of them want to see their kid honoured by all neighbours as a martyr. No offense, but that statement is so outdated and naive! Have you ever walked around in Nablus, Ramallah or Bethlehem? I did. Start a discussion about the utopia of peace, you will get nothing but a frown. Most of the Arabs don't want peace, they just want the total destruction of Israel. In fact they want to kill all Which doesn't mean I'm pro Israeli government, we're talking about causes and consequences, but your ideas of Arabs wanting peace doesn't match with reality (in general of course). Happily there always will be people who are willing to talk but the general 'Arab' we're talking about is not one of them)
I may be naive, but you're completly cynical. Yes, maybe some people do want to see the total destruction of Israel, but to say that they all do, well I'm not the naive one there. It may be utopian to believe that mostly people want peace, however, it is also really sad to beleive that all people of a certain race want to kill all others of another. There are people of all races who are crazy, and want to kill massive amounts of other people for whatever reasons, it doesn't mean that all the people of that race want the same thing. That would be like me saying that during the Nazi era, all Germans wanted to see the total destruction of non-aryan people, when in fact many Germans, many Aryan Germans worked to protect people who's lives were threatened. Or it would be like me saying that all white south africans during aparthide wanted to ensalve all black south africans. Or hell, even like saying that all Israelis want to see the total destruction of all palestinians, and on and on and on. I'm not saying that palestinians are perfect, I am saying that they are not all crazy mass murderers, somehow I doubt that that's "outdated and naive".
You're right that they're not ALL bad, but the truth is there are probably more malicious, Jew-hating Palestinians than you think. Have you ever read a Palestinian textbook?