Shrooms and Pot instead of Alcohol and Tobacco?

Ok I don't think any knowledgeable person would use the argument that pot and shrooms are safer than alcohol and tobacco because their organic. If anything being organic only means it is easier for one to grow their own.....otherwise there are no additional benefits. There are many toxic natural poisens out there and toxic plant drugs (ie datura).

But alcohol and tobacco have much more health risks and social problems than pot and shrooms. It has nothing to do with being synthetic.....in fact an example of a synthetic drug that is as safe as pot or shrooms is lsd, as klondike_bar pointed out. All three of these "drugs" (whatever one means by that widely used and abused label) are non-toxic, non-addictive (well psychological addiction to pot is possible but unlikely in most users), and do not kill braincells. Contrast this with hard drugs like alcohol and tobacco and it is easy to see how they differ. Alcohol and tobacco are considered hard drugs for a reason.....they can be toxic enough to lead to overdoses (especially alcohol), they are addictive (tobacco is one of the most addicting substances), and they do kill braincells. So many deaths are attributed to alcohol and tobacco and almost no deaths are attributed to pot or shrooms. Drugs like alcohol can lead to violence (alcohol being responsible for 60% of all murders, not including drunk driving fatalities) and tobacco leads to more death than any other drug merely by the long term toxic nature of the plant (tobacco by the way is natural but you don't see me saying that it's safe because it is).

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these substances/plants can't be used responsibly but it is foolish to compare them to soft drugs. Alcohol and tobacco are more like cocaine or heroin while pot and shrooms are less damaging than coffee/caffeine in most areas (more deaths occur from caffeine use than ever with pot or shroom use). I drink socially too sometimes.....I also (rareley) smoke tobacco. But it isn't hard to figure out how much better the world would be if people didn't use these substances/plants and how much the world can benefit with pot and psychedelics like shrooms.

 

i think we all have a different definition of responsible.
my way is knowing when you have had enough(IE not getting black out)
not driving while intoxicated on anything
realizing when you are doing it to much(IE drinking everyday)

pretty much just understanding there are possible negatives to anything you do and understanding when your using is harming your daily life.

 

Yeah, good post. It was kinda what I was getting at. I have some parts I need to elaborate on though:

Less deaths are attributed to pot and shrooms, but alcohol and nicotine and used by much more people, so it's not easy to make that comparison. Most alcohol related deaths are from either combining them with something else, or from an accident. Nicotine isn't something that kills you right away, and with the way our generation is, it's all about instant gratification, so most people don't worry about the future. Most mushroom related deaths are from people doing something stupid while tripping (i.e. a friend I knew that jumped out of a moving car because he wanted to see god) so it also depends on your state of mind and how you can handle things. Again though, MUCH more people drink, than trip on shrooms. Not everybody can handle shrooms, so who knows how many deaths could arise if everybody that drank did mushrooms?

I do agree that pot is relatively safe, and shrooms can be as well, but I just can't stand people who bash people for the drugs THEY use, because they think they are using the "safe" drugs, because they grow from the earth. Is pot completely safe though? Are there absolutely ZERO health effects that could arise from inhaling the smoke from marijuana? I don't know, hopefully someone can help with that though, because I would like to know.

It just pisses me off, they act like they are better then people who choose to do other drugs...and that is not the type of mentality you should have if you yourself are using substances, regardless of how safe they are, and regardless of their legality.

What do you mean by that? 100 doses at once? Or 100 doses completely?

Either way, where did you get that information, and what do you mean by "problems?"

Not being condescending, I am actually interested in your response.

Andddd:

You didn't claim to possess the knowledge as to why everyone drinks, but you did try and state the effects, and acted as if that was the reason people drink, because you didn't say otherwise. I simply informed you that not everyone gets completely drunk every single time they drink, not only that, but some people don't get those negative effects from a few drinks. No offense, if you are straight-edge, you really have no room to judge anyone for drinking, why they drink, or alcohol in it's entirety, because you obviously aren't experienced with it. You go off of what you see and hear, but you don't know what people are going through, and why, and what they feel. I understand being straight-edge, and I respect it, but if it means being condescending and stereotyping people, then that is pathetic.

Alcohol does mess you up, but pot does also, as well as mushrooms. They all put you in a different state of mind, regardless. But does that mean the reason behind doing them is set in stone? Every single person who smokes pot....do they do it so they can have fun, laugh, and pass out? Every person who eats mushrooms....is it because they want to see walls breathe and brag to their friends about their hallucinations? Do you see how it is when you stereotype the reasons behind using substances? It doesn't matter what the substance is....everyone's body is different, and everybody reacts different to drugs...you combine that with the reason behind doing the drug/substance itself, and you can no longer make assumptions..if you do, it's being stereotypical and close-minded. Also, straight-edge people are known as being close-minded and stereotypical, which in itself, is a stereotype...so how does it feel?

If you are drinking to avoid dealing problems, then maybe you are using it for the wrong reasons. Or, maybe you aren't. Maybe it helps to deal with underlying or current issues you have, ever think of that? As I said, it helps with my social anxiety. Now if I use a drug that is designed for that, such as Xanax or Valium or whatever benzo you want to think of, then it is okay? Because I am using something designed for that? That IS close-minded. If it helps someone deal with what they are going through, then what does it matter what they use.

I do agree that using alcohol won't work forever, but again, our generation is about instant gratification.

What do people smoke pot for? What do people ingest mushrooms for? Does it matter? If they are doing it for something you don't think is right, do you deem it "irresponsible?" If not, then again, that is being close-minded, because you are basically telling people what they can and can't use substances for.

Again, I believe if that more people drink alcohol then smoke pot...you can't really make that comparison. Sure, more people die from alcohol, I don't even know if anyone has ever died from marijuana, but why does that matter? If you can drink responsibly, then what is the difference? There will always be irresponsible people, no matter what. Some people think they can take 900mg of Oxycontin, and they die. Some people think they can eat 15 grams of shrooms and drive, and they crash. Some people think they can drink 15 drinks of alcohol, and crash. It's not the substance that is the problem, it's the people that take the substance.

Just like I stand behind my stance on NOT blaming the doctor for overdosing on meds. People think they can take more then they are prescribed. Why should that be the doctor's fault? Why should an accident be the alcohol manufacturer's fault, when the person wrecks their car after they drive. They have laws that inhibit driving while on alcohol, and alcohol companies warn you to be responsible, but people still do it. You can't blame the substance, simple as that.

Last thought...if people have to worry about the risk of smoking marijuana that has additives that are harmful added to it, why is it still so widely abused? People know about the dangers of every other drugs, and you certainly have been very vocal about the dangers of alcohol and other substances...why does this not have any effect on the marijuana smoking population? If marijuana can be laced/spiked/etc with something that can be harmful, why is the use/abuse rate MUCH higher then that of other substances? It's just another reason to show why people who do "natural" drugs have NO reason to bash people who do other drugs.

/end rant.

 

you increase your risk for bronchitis and asthma if you smoke too much pot. I believe those with existing lung problems should not smoke pot, but baking, eating it is totally safe, except for possible psychological adverse effects from the drug itself. Either way pot is nontoxic. I laugh when people think the cough from potsmoke means its unhealthy. It's good that it makes you cough, at least some of the smoke biproducts come right back out.

vaporizing or potbrownies are vitually without negative health effects (unless you do so much that you eat cupcakes and sit on ass)

To me the issue is not whether your drugs are synthetic or organic, the issue is your r'ship with that drug; how it's used, why it's used, how moderately, etc. Dependency on anything means a partial self.

 

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trade it all for lsd

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