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Well, OK...since this thread is about anything...how is school going Mel?

 

I actually sat down to study earlier and i've been dicking around here instead lol if that tells you anything

It is going good but just sort of overwhelming as I'm starting to realize just how little free time I am going to have working and going to school. But I enjoy school, I always have, so I'll get used to it. Who needs a life anyways

And probably if I got off here I would be much better with this whole time management thing lol

 

Well, I wasn't arguing that a genocide was taking place in Germany before WW2 and with the knowledge of the average german citizen.
I was criticizing your and Davids remarks that the Nazis didn't use oppressive and intimidating methods before WW2, like there was no fear for them before the war.
Also, you kind of made it sound like the prewar nazi's ideas for getting the Jewish people out of Germany were altruistic or for the jewish greater good But it was for the germans (wether they agreed with it or not) and the nazis idea of what Germany should be.

 

I actually have good hope for the swastika symbol in the long run. There's a great (now old) thread on here with a lot of pics of historical uses. It makes it obvious it means much more than what it symbolized for the nazis (who perverted it). But we have to take in account its still relatively short after WW2. Not even all people who lived it are gone yet. Thus the impression is still strong.
But in the overall course of history the swastika has always had a different meaning and it is unlikely if people care about that, it won't surface again

 

love that

 

they dont see it that way irmin, they think they are free like birds , little do they realise that germans under nazi regime just believed the same, no difference, zero,

8kcal

 

dont think nobody read, i did, great, that was lots of kcal you wasted irmin

 

boom!! that broke them to pieces hahaha

 

and this is why you stand out.! I holla at you

 

Soooo

I did go read the 1933 Nazi platform out of curiosity

And I actually am drawing a lot of parallels between their stance on people of non Germanic blood working and living in Germany and Trump and the far right's stance on immigration.

There has been some derision from Irm and David regarding Trump and Nazi comparisons and i've personally never compared the two because Trump is a lot dumber than Hitler for starters

But I am actually coming away from reading the platform thinking Trump and the far right have more in common with the Nazi party than I did before I read the platform

 

It is quite disturbing seeing people declare they studied the subject and conclude the nazis did not display fascist and discriminating characteristics before the war. Sure, plenty of germans were duped because they were oblivious; nobody was arguing otherwise! But also plenty of accounts of violent confrontations. The Kristallnacht was in 1938. Jewish germans were subject to increasingly absurd discriminating laws already since Hitler came to power in 1933. Not every german was ok with that but many kept silent out of fear for these violent fascist brown shirts (who were already actively targeting jewish shops and businesses since the late twenties for Pete's sake! ).
And by stating this nobody is denying that a lot of citizens from other countries (like mine) were often just as weak and complying.. as Irmi tried to put it. The nazis get the main part of the blame because they're the instigators and organizers.
If in an argument about racism the nazis come up to draw a parallel or illustrate an example of fascism or racist discrimination it is often useful and entirely legit and rarely done to paint the whole of 1930s Germany as some horrid nation of racists or even to literally put it that everyone who joined the national socialist party at that time was a racist. So there's no reason to act like people put it like that.

 

One thing I’ve learned from modern “safe space” progressives is that the holocaust could’ve been stopped if only Germany had anti hate speech laws.

 

With hindsight everything could in theory be prevented
Hatespeech restrictions alone probably wouldn't have stopped/prevented it, but if there was as strong of an awareness of what fascism could lead to as there is now the brown shirts might have gotten some more resistance

 

You slay me 6. Swing Heil!

 

Not sure how we morphed into Hitler, but there is certainly scads out there on how he came to power. Two books I've read on the subject are William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and Richard Evans, The Coming of the Third Reich. See also
Hitler's Rise: How a Homeless Artist Became a Murderous Tyrant
rise and fall of third reich - Yahoo Video Search Results
https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-main-factors-that-contributed-to-Hitler’s-rise-to-power-in-January-1933
Jan. 30, 1933: The Story behind Hitler's Rise to Power - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
BBC - GCSE Bitesize - Hitler's rise to power
Why did Weimar democracy fall and Hitler's dictatorship rise?
How did Hitler Come to Power? - History

None of these accounts suggests that Hitler's rise was the result of bad German genes. All attribute it to the dire circumstances of a war torn, humiliated country dealing with the challenges of inflation and depression. The question my history profs liked to raise for discussion was: Could it happen here in the USA? As I recall, the general consensus was No, because we had such deeply rooted traditions of democracy, liberty and constitutionalism. That was then, this is now. I'm not so sure.

 

At least he didn't project it on progressives in general this time

 

I think American "Progressives" are in a world of their own. What else would explain this lapse of reason:
German police sue female American professor for Nazi slur | Daily Mail Online
Seems like everytime they don't get their way, out come Hitler and the Nazis. Only, in Germany they really don't want to hear that kind of crap.

Then too we have Pelosi suggesting that Trump wants to "make America white again", an outrageous spewing from her rancid progressive perspective. And ludicrous since the US has never been a "white" nation. Even Joe Manchin is trying to talk her down from that ledge.

 

Someone needs to break the news to Baldnbare.

 

Perhaps, but at least he's not calling people Nazis!