Sen. Elizabeth Warren's Great Idea

You seem to do a lot of that to me as well. You clearly think you know me better than myself and don't really come up with anything but smart aleck what ifs.

If you listen to what another person says you learn. I'm really not sure what you think I should do. It would be like talking to a wall if I did what you suggest,

 

The right to vote can be absolute without harm , with no exception . Then , in a more-perfect consensus democracy the right to block
consensus is granted to you . Community is inclusive and respected for all who live .


(Felonious inmates of U.S. Federal prisons cannot vote ... how is it with Canada?)

 

I came across a really interesting perspective today. I didnt really feel strongly about this one way or another but now I am leaning towards either allowing prisoners to vote or not counting them as residents

Prison gerrymandering:

The Problem

 

The fact that the left wants murders and thieves to vote, really tells you exactly who these people are going to vote for.

Socialism is the ideologic manifestation of criminal intent. Neither criminals or socialists have respect for freedom or property rights.

 

I agree but to do that the US would need a much better social system and a change in many American's social attitudes toward crime.

Punishment works

There is a general attitude among many Americans that accepts threat of violence, intimidation and suppression as legitimate means of societal control and this mind-set gets in the way of them actually working toward solutions to their social and political problems. It can create a barrier between reality and myth, between what they see as prudent and sensible and what actually is prudent and sensible.

Anyway this attitude of intimidation in US society has I believe led to the US having the largest prison populations in the world (686 per 100,000) and has one of the highest execution rates in the world (in the company of such countries as China, Iran and Pakistan). Switzerland for comparison has a prison population of just 83 per 100,000 and England and Wales which has the largest priosn populations in Europe has only 148 per 100,000 and both countries do not have the death penalty.

To me this seems more about ruling through intimidation and the fear of violence (especially since US prisons are often described as extremely brutal especially compared with those in the UK and Switzerland according to Amnesty International).


Individual rather than social responsibility.

Many in the US put the emphasis on individual responsibility when it comes to the committing of crime, that people are mostly or all responsible for the choices they make rather than been the victims of social circumstance or mental health problems and this can also fuels the idea that people deserve the punishment and don’t deserve help or assistance in their lives to move them away from crime.

This views seems to believe that those that end up committing crimes were always destined to be criminals and nothing could have been done to stop or reduce that possibility from happening.

So such people are likely to oppose the kind of ‘socialist’ ideas that have helped reduce crime in other societies. The kind of policies directed at reducing the risks of people turning to crime because of upbringing, mental health, environment or circumstance. This can involve free education and training programmes, universal healthcare, social service spending, outreach programmes, judicial reform and rehabilitation systems amongst other things.

To reduce crime it is better to spend money on prevention rather than spending it on the ‘cure’ of punishment.

It might be interesting to note here that Black households have traditionally had some of the lowest median incomes according to the US census and at the same time although black people only make up around 13 per cent of the US’s population they made up half the prison population in 1999 and in 2000 one in three young black men were either in prison or on probation or parole and with black people make up 41.8% of those on death row.

(US incarnation rates 2010 - Black 2,306 per 100,000, Hispanic – 831 per 100,000, Whites - 450 per 100,000)

Now while any group can become involved in criminal activity social, economic and educational backgrounds often have a way of determine the type of crime someone is going to undertake.

Now the vast majority of people in prisons are there for what may be termed as ‘street crimes’ (drug related, robbery weapons offences etc. rather than white collar or computer crime) and those closer to poverty are much more likely to become involved in such street crime.

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So to actually tackle crime and reduce the prison population the US needs to be enacting more ‘socialised’ policies.

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They will be registered to vote in the locality they came from . If I want to guess at a felon's political affiliation - I'd say Independent .
Of course while in prison that is a silly identity , and while there , criminals are not be allowed to be Liberally criminal . Oops! - inmates
there-for
are Conservative ?

 

I don't think it's a "fact". It all depends on how you identify "the left". Liz and Bernie are certainly leftists, but not necessarily the left.

 

Agreed. It's like the effect of Lynn Yaeger on fashion....


And then looking at AOC (who is nowhere near as extreme).....


So she's more of a clothing centrist. In this shot anyway. What does the hand signal mean? (Buy Alcoa stock)

 

Felonious Monk donut vote stupid .

Should Sen. Elizabeth Warren have one more fearless great idea I hope it's of a constitutional convention .

 

thats a good question thanks for asking..

 

It's interesting you of all people would want a big goverment to have a set of rules for what is right and wrong and for them to police democracy.

Isn't crime the ultimate Libertarian fantasy? I did what I wanted if other people did not like it that's too bad for them. I took what I wanted by the rules I saw fit and they should too. This is what all criminals think.

I suppose you would say rights go a far as others suffering but that would contradict many of your economic views. The biggest criminal is the one who makes millions shorting a stock and the company not the guy who robbed the liquor store. We judge one to be worse since money buys a lot in court yet both are thieves.

You will say it's OK to use a market to make money won't you? Well that is open to lots of crime.

If only an elite class of the wealthy vote it's much worse than your fear of a felon voting. That is what right wing voter ID's laws are about. Only people with a certain view are right be they slaves to the wealthy or the actual wealthy they have 1% interest in mind.

Democracy is more than money. I feel like you would say different. Money= success therefor knowladge of the appropriate democratic policy. Kind of the same idea as saying only land owners can vote. An idea still floated today that comes from the 18th century.

 

Spoken like a true defender of the robber barons. Neither robbers nor their minions know the difference between freedom and license, nor between property and loot.