Ok lets look at paganism its a system of beliefs that centers around natural observable phenomena but not necessarily confined to just to that, to an ancient human that lives in the time where a telescope is not available it is logical thinking to look at say the sun and think... U know what we all can see and agree its there it raises every day with out fail and never gets weaker its seems it haves infinite power it brigs light and life to our world lets worship it and call it god. Now then lets look at the monotheism religions the ones that are convinced there is only one thru god like Judaism, Christianity and Islamic. What do they belief in well in something that is completely illogical. That there is some guy that created everything that sit in the sky judging us all with out him we are lost even though no one can see, hear, touch...him. And the whole thing is reaped up in very negatively charged emotions I don't know about u but it seem to me that this image of the world can only be observed through ill minded eyes. What I am saying back in the day when psychology was not heard of how do u tell if someone has fallen pray to mental disorder like schizophrenia which involves symptoms that can effect all 5 seances producing powerful hallucinations in affect altering the very core of reality. Schizophrenia effected ppl can belief with all there heard that god is speaking to them or that they are the sun of god or maybe wake up in the morning and see the sun rise and be convinced that they are responsible for this leading them to belief that they are god him self and so on... What if one of thees schizophrenic ppl decided to wright a book a very convincing book depicting the mind of god and hand it to gullible ppl with a grin on hes face saying it is written by god him self?
Why look at belief at all to determine any aspect of God whether real or imagined. We begin our journey where the rubber meets the road. What are the observable functions or effects of our ideas about God, what is God for. God is for our creation. God is for our security. God is for my good. I want my good. The interests are the same. The will is the same. God at a functional level as opposed to a mystical level, is our current aspiration.
people know that god does not write books . god writes with wind and clouds and falling leaves and kindness . i don't worry over what people believe . schizoid poets and god both unbelievably exist .
I do worry about ppl beliefs when about half of earths population follows monotheism religion and yes this god suppose be for the good of the ppl but all it ever did and will continue to do so is cause trouble for the human kind. I will not force anyone to change there mind but I will point out that clearly its a big ass lie. Because I think ppl would do much better without all of this unnecessary religious bagged in there daily life's. Scratch that when I will become the ruler of the world I will make organized religion illegal.
I love documentary's and am pretty sure i seen it from what i can remember it was awesome BS. However i do belief in advance civilizations that exsited back in the day. There are quite few artifacts or places that exist winch difaine logic.
interesting topic. i just wanted to throw in that there are a lot of parallels between shamans and schizophrenics. the shaman is someone who, early on, exhibits differences from other "normal" people. when this is developed within a culture that practices shamanism, the person is said to be able to travel freely through reality. this isn't so different than schizophrenics who may hear voices or experience god. the only difference is how we as a culture tend to look at what is acceptable and how we treat those who are different, whether we want to develop or repress them. many prophets have earned their title because they communicated with god, or experienced something beyond this world. what would you do if your neighbor came running over to your front yard yelling about such things? who would you call? probably not the church
Well i would group shamans more to the paganism group, I like to belief there more to this life than we can see never the less mental illness most definitely exist. The reason I contribute monotheism to schizophrenia is do to the overwhelming doom and gloom it represents, very often schizophrenia is accompanied by anxieties depression or paranoia or in revers can tip the mind in to this mental illness. I cant say I read any holy texts from cover to cover but from what I gather they are full of anxieties depression and paranoia not forgetting warped view of reality. And don't shamans usually take something or have a ritual to get a vision ? Compared to prophets who just 1 day start to hear voices in there head. Btw disregard the Atlantis quote am not actually sure about the whole thing hehe
so if you look to god direct maybe you get just a couple experiences in one life . that's ok . it's better than stories , it's better than disrespecting pagans who look to god direct and hardly got a story . voices in the head is just drama . god speaks in the full light of day . you want this experience ? then , like one prophet has said , be like a child and born without a story and born with the word of god within . god needs no story to be real , yet we are creatures of words . it's a society that makes stories for selfish purpose and schizos are the most very , very selfish agents of all . a montheistic wild god is undivided of and within nature . like god , my words are small . this is how a prophet speaks .
Dude this thread is not about does god speak to us, it come down to mater of belief if u look at nature and think its god that's fine but seeing what u what to see does not make it the truth to anyone ells who thinks for them self its only the truth to u. Put simply there is no evidence for one and only god. This tread is about exposing falls prophet and maybe figuring out why thees ppl thought the way they did. Like eg Muhammad he dictated a holy text and its said that Koran is literal word of god implying that it was heard by him and then dictated by Muhammad but not from hes own observations of nature or whatever he was not the author IT WAS A VOICE IN HES HEAD or a guy with schizophrenia named Gabriel (angel). Or he just thought he was god and spoke whatever came to hes mind.
what you hear ? nothing ? why not - because you question meaning no matter if anything is said or there is silence . this is your own schiz .
there are many ways unseen friends can communicate with us without words. the barrier is what people assume wrongly to know about them, which is just about everything they think they know, whatever (imported, nonindiginous) belief is dominant where they live, claims to know about them. this certainly includes christianity as it has come to be dominant in most of the western hemisphere, but can include many other things as well. it is true that we all "play with reality"/create, then in a sense, each other's perceptions. yet this neither adds to nor diminishes that benign strangeness which is beyond ourselves. a diverse and mostly harmless and thus benign strangeness. far more benign then what we are familiar with or imagine ourselves to be.
When there's no evidence there's no need for evidence when someone speaks against the personal truth they must be crazy. Seeing happens within the mind not within the eyes. Its a strange world I agree but I do not belief there is any evidence nor point for monotheistic god to exist. And no I was in sane state when I wrote this, it made sense to me oh well
We marvel that a "primitive" technology could accurately predict the movement of the planets or the ordinary technology of the day could be perceived "God like" by the most advanced technology of an earlier period. Both our science and religion emerge from the night time sky. Our knowledge emerges from the day, through the observation of light and shadow.
Science and religion are two answer for the same quotation but trail and error period is over we know what works what doesn't. Someone myth have the answer or the means at the time to seem like god but it does not mean they are.
people worry about being crazy and become vigilant about pulling every weed in the garden of mind . this kills alot of perfectly good green music .