Save the earth

Discussion in 'Protest' started by aoacoder, Nov 30, 2005.

  1. aoacoder

    aoacoder Member

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    I`m not exactly sure of all the details so forgive the errors please...



    Right now a bunch of politicians and UN (i think) are meeting in montreal regarding the shitty job there all doing regarding climate change. There`s marches going on as well as demonstrations in a lot of cities... just google it. Don`t let these money hungry people decide they want a decent economy and not an environment. I beilieve the protests are synchronized everywhere for the 3rd of december (this coming saturday) http://www.campaigncc.org/ check it out man and woman alike... the earth takes such good care of us and we let these money hungry people rape her... If anyone heading to the montreal protest is out of town, and broke and mite need a place to crash email me abbiehoffmanincarnate@yahoo.ca
     
  2. guy

    guy Senior Member

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    the first thing to save the earth comes with the individual - do what you can.
    i "need" a car, electricity etc. i do what i can by switching off unnecessary lighting and electrical appliances that are not being used (on standby). if everyone did this miracles would happen!
    if you own your own house use the sun to help heat your hot water. heating water consumes large quantities of energy. you would be amazed how hot water gets using the power of the sun.
    "saving" the earth comes with small steps
     
  3. aoacoder

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    *sigh*
     
  4. aoacoder

    aoacoder Member

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    I retake my sigh
    I`m curious as to how scientists who weren`t here for the past 4 billion years can prove that kind of bullshit.

    And even if it has been doesn`t the point still standing that spewing trash into the atmosphere is bad? *just a thought*
     
  5. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    i do, however care what happens after i die, i want the future generations to have a healthy life, i want to know my children and their children, hell even strangers. maybe its my conscience, but i do want to help the future, humans cannot develop if some generations just suddenly decide they do not care about the future, all the scientists of the past may hav given up with the same attitude, we have to start caring about the future
    peacex
     
  6. hippiewise

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    yes i am concerned about what kind of life my children and grandkids and their kids are going to have here on earth. our o zone is depleted, global warming is taking over, will it be a 'MAD MAX" kinda world with no vegetation, no water, only desert and dry brown earth, these crooked politicians and corporations will do that to us they don't care what happens to mother earth, only that they can stuff more money into their already greedy pockets.

    SAVE MOTHER EARTH
    hippiewise angel
     
  7. Alden

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    Save the Earth, DUH! Have anything in sepicfic? Want to help with Africa?
     
  8. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    They determine the amount of C02 in the atmosphere in the past by taking ice core samples.
    Basically in the arctic and antarctic there is a yearly snowfall. Each year the snow falls on the snow that proceeded it and packs it down until ice forms.
    By drilling into that ice you can take a cylndircal 'core' that can reach back millions of years that will tell you how much c02 is trapped in the ice, how much snow fell, and other nice things.
    It turns out that greenhouse gasses fluctuate rapidly, and spike during periods when improvements in Agriculture means more plants and animals. the atmospheric content of c02 actually peaked in the middeavil ages.

    And stop anthropomorphizing the planet. It doesn't give a fuck about you, it's a giant-assed ball of molten rock with a crunchy exterior that supports life.
    It isn't some wise old goddess, it's a planet. It doesn't 'give' us anything.
     
  9. freesmile

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    it doesn't give us anything?? :confused: just like a mother doesn't give her child anything, oh wait a second she did and the planet did, it gave us life, and without it we wouldn't be hear. so because the planet doesn't have human emotions we should have no thoughts to it, rather egocentric isn't it?
     
  10. soaringeagle

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    didnt give us anything? wtf man, what do you eat what do you drink and breath? the earth gave us soil to grow our food & healing herbs it gave us lakes and streams & wind , sunny days and rain, a place for life to thrive
    think about this man, you dont care about the future, but if you ever had a child...what of his world? we're pumping billions of tons of trash & poisions into the environment ..unless we move away from poluting industries & destruction of the environment & start concentrating on developing green technologies we're really going to messs up our olny provider of life
    its already possibly beyond repair.. but at least we need to end the race on towards utter destruction just to make a buck attitude
     
  11. Eugene

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    The phrase 'mother earth' is quite frankly innacurate.
    Our ancestors braved everything that could be thrown at them by this planet, from poision atmospheres (when we swtiched over to Oxygen 99% of life on this planet died, it wasn't because of anything that you could say resembled humans had anything to do with it) to climate shift (the sahara was once rich grassland), to predators (before we made tools we were everyone's monkey-bitch).
    And i'm not saying that we shouldn't be concerned with the fact that the shit we dump into the atmosphere might kill us one day. That is counter to our own best interests, but i think it's silly that people constantly treat the earth like it is a living being. It isn't. It's a rock.
    And if the worst-case scenario pans out, and humanity goes down taking 99% of life on earth with it, i don't see why life won't just adapt to the changing circumstances (through darwinian evolution), and continue on without us.
    It's like Carlin said: "The planet's fine, it's the people that are fucked."

    The earth didn't give us sunlight, obviously, or wind, that's just a law of physics, or lakes and streams, that's just hydrogen and oxygen atoms bonded together in a liquid state, and although you might have a point about a place for life to thrive, it's just that: a place for life to thrive. to give anything would be a conscious act, like some protector-mother was nurturing her children.
    The earth doesn't do that, it's totally indifferent to us, it is just a place, not a being.
     
  12. soaringeagle

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    doesnt matter if its a rock or a being a place or provider, the fact is we're fuckin it up badly & we have no right doing that
    if we fuck it/her up she/it will fuck us up

    so if we wip out ourselves & 99% of life on earth so whaT? liffe will go on?
    forgive me but i've become rather attached to the amount of life around me as well as my own.. & it just makes no sence to throw it all away
     
  13. freesmile

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    that is the problem i have with people who just accept darwin, although evolution happens, this does not mean that we should lose our compassion. it does not give us the excuse to do as we please. if evolution happens again with humans it will be self-induced. there are so many species wiped out every year, some naturally, some because of human actions.

    you may not appreciate the planet we live on, but let us who do honestly care about the future help, you can sit back and just accept these problems, but just do not complain about other humans who are trying to do good
     
  14. Eugene

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    I have no problem with protecting the environment.
    Hell i voted green!
    However, I object to the belief that we have to do it out of alturistic reasons. Why can't we just try and fix everything because it's in our own best interests?
    Why do we got to go and invent some silly neo-pagan representation of the earth, with unrealistic ideas about it being some kind and benevolent provider.
    Nature is cruel, it's uncaring, it kills baby birds and wipes out saber tooth tigers, it doesn't give a fuck about us, because it's blind forces, not a sentient Gaia.
    And it all really boils down to acting in our own best interests.
    We say "save the earth," when really we mean "preserve the earth as it is", beacuse the earth as it is has allowed humanity to thrive beyond any reasonable expectation. If we really do fuck it all up, there will still be an earth, and there will still be life, just not life that we know about, or find attractive (Even i'll admit that a planet controlled by sentient cochroaches is icky).
    We aren't trying to save the Earth we're trying to save humanity.
     
  15. aoacoder

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    Left this post alone for a bit and wow,
    Eugene must you piss on our ``silly neo-pagan representation of the earth``
    I`m not going to start a spirtual debate in here it`s not the place
    But don`t get pissing on those of us who have a particular beilief
    Do you see me in here pissing on science? I would love to but I don`t
    It`s not the place and it accomplishes nothing. But on a happier note
    to anyone that actually gives a fuck, I did attend the march I posted and
    the crowd as was estimated at 40,000 people, thanks to anyone that showed up.
     
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