san pedro - how to get the best out of it?

Well about a week ago me and my friend spent a few hours skinning and cutting up 3 - 6 inch cuttings of san pedro. We then proceeded to boil them for a few hours and finally we consumed what little water there was left. After a few hours I finally started to trip, but only for about an hour. My friend didn't trip at all. We are planning on redoing this by buying two 12 inch cuttings and using a freezing methods, then put it in a blender and rinse out of the liquid and drink. I want to double check with more experienced people for feedback on what should we do and how much cacti will be necessary.

 

At least 24" of about 3" diameter is needed. You guys just didn't take enough. 18" is a good threshold dose for one person if the cacti is average or higher potentcy.

Buy 2 12" cutting per person and make tea by using only the green portion of flesh and about 1/4"-1/2" of white flesh. You don't want to use the core.
If you can peel the waxy skin off first. It is very thin and transparent. It is like peeling dried glue off your hand. That will reduce some of the nausea.
Blend it to break it down but don't let it get foamy.
Heat it at a low boil for about 4-5 hours.
Add the juice of about 5-6 lemons to help with the extraction and flavor.

Strain it through some cheesecloth or a clean t-shirt.
Heat it but keep from boiling to reduce it down to a managable amount.
Drink and strap yourself in.
Mescaline takes about two hours to really start in and can be as long as four hours for full effects to be reached. It can last 12 hours, maybe more.

 

not enough, didn't prepare it right, weak cutting... all these could be possible reasons.
i kind of ditched eatin SP a long time ago for more potent cacti like bridgesii and peyote.

San Pedro are best for growing and as grafting stocks. like PB said you need two feet per person to get a proper experience. That's way outside of the realm of convenience for me.

 

Thanks for the info. I heard that consuming dried Peruvian torch is the easiest method of using mescaline (aside from consuming pure mescaline) is that true? And if so where do you get it? I've searched the internet and I haven't had any luck yet.

 

IMO eating dried peruvian torch is tedious and difficult. it does not go down easily.

consuming pure mescaline is as easy as swallowing a capsule. eating peruvian torch dried is like eating a handful of sand that tastes bitter.
making tea wouldnt be a bad idea :coffee:

 

If its dried torch i would recommend tea and if its fresh doing what PB said would be best. I've been looking into getting some torch but i really want to try peyote, though that would require a trip to Mexico

 

It's frustraiting, my dorm room is about 500ft from some of the only legal peyote in the US... My college has some sort of scientific exemption to grow it (I'm pretty sure for like botany grads, not for psychoactive work... but still)

But as I understand it, it's in a cage... in a cage... in a room... in a room... in a room... all brimming with alarms and locks.

 

Thats ridiculous in my opinion! Although on the other hand im sure there would be some eager hands to grab some at any opportunity, I just find the whole fear based culture on drugs outdated and unnecessary.
But they sure take there security sereiously

 

it also may require a trip to mexican jail. they'll put indians in jail for pickin it.
what do you think they'll do to you?

haha. thats kind of cool in a way that it's a botany specimen. I totally understand the cages ect. Some dumb punks, if given the chance, would probably snatch thing and eat it not knowing that it alone is worthless for tripping.

 

My advice is if you are using San Pedro, get about 18 inches. take off all the spines and skin the night before which is a pain in the ass, but necessary. then freeze or leave it out overnight. Boil some of it but only for a little bit of time and not too hot that it kills alkaloid and eat maybe 3-4 inches of some of it and just the dark green layer. make a tea out of the rest while you are eating it and repeat the boiling process about 3-4 times. I did this and had a pretty amazing experience with this stuff. It may be that i'm sensitive to psychedelics but i tried SP twice before this and got nowhere near these effects. I find SP to be mild compared to other psychedelics but that does not mean to take it lightly. You are definitely engrossed the entire time in the experience and I had a couple moments of fear or wanting to change scenery but your mind is always very much yours and mescaline does not seem to overtake it in the same way that mushrooms and LSD can. Granted I am talking about relative dosage, i'm sure if you took an enormous amount of cactus something different may happen.

It's a very clean trip, with some mild stomach discomfort, it takes about 2-2 1/2 hours to kick in with the comeup filled with a mix of nausea, and euphoria almost to the level of mdma, then the first 3 hours of the trip everything feels whimsical and childlike and almost cartoonlike. Time distortion is very similar to that of LSD, Colors definitely stand out and I hate to use comparisons since the nature of the visuals are different but i would say it's about the equivalent of 2 1/2 - 3 hits of quality LSD visually. Then at about hour 7 or so the trip shifts and the closed eye visuals predominant with beautiful shades of yellow and blue and cool mind images, (i saw some naked women that changed into a tiger crawling up my arm, pretty awesome!). I did get a minor headache around hour 10 but it wasn't anything unbearable and if you had an aspirin or xanax or something that would probably work fine to relieve that.

Psychedelics are different for everyone but this took a couple attempts to get it right and I enjoy the experience of San Pedro more than mushrooms for sure but probably not quite as much as LSD.

I suggest taking it early in the day and tripping throughout the day and have some sort of plan on what to do. Unlike mushrooms where i just like to find a space and basically trip there the whole time, Mescaline is awesome to constantly wander responsibly on and see different scenery.

 

I remember when I first started out with the San Pedro. Only for me because it grows like weeds where I live. Not to brag. It seems recently alot of my gardens where I would take cuttings from yards. The residents actually cut down and obliterate their gardens. Its a damn shame. I am now on a mission to save what is left of these gardens by freely helping myself to them. My research and experiments have led me to harvesting the hell out of the remaining gardens, drying all the harvested skins in the sun and powdering the skins for extractions. Blending a dose of at least 18in of fresh skins in a blender, simmering into a liquid. Straining and simmering the pulp in 1:2 lemon juice water solution for 20min 2x . Add the cooks together with the 1st strain mix and carefully filter the sediments using fine mesh. This juice is absolute truth. You may want to reduce it on low to at least 4-8oz. I tried to evaporate the solution which resulted in a gooey resin that will not harden at all. Nobody gets it right the first time no matter how much we try. If using powder just liquify the powder with 1:2 lemon juice/water solution. Its like 50g powder = 1ft SP. Simmer powder 20min 3x with straining and fresh solution. Filter the final collected strains through fine mesh using gravity to remove the moisture from the sediment. Reduce to 4-8oz. That is also how you make ayahuasca brew too!

 

I want to add somthing important. I just thought this up after watching a documentary on miracle fruit. It's a substance that makes bitter sweet. anything harsh would taste bland. Beer has been said to taste like a chocholate shake with it. You only have to eat a spoonfull and your good for an hour. So i would surmise you could not only drink the san pedro tea or extract with no problem, but it would taste good. Check it out i think it is worth exploring.

 

I have heard that this doesn't work. Miracle fruit makes lemons taste like candy but don't work for Pedro tea for some reason.

There is nothing that can stop the alkaloidal bitterness gag from coming when the pedro tea hits your tongue.

 

The last time I used cacti, I slowly evaped as much moisture as possible then I let the sludge, my filtering wasn't that thorough, just sit for a few days until it was a taffy like consistency, rolled it into balls and swallowed with water. No nasty taste and little to no nausea.
(have to keep your fingers slightly moist to handle it though, that shit is very sticky)

 

Old azz thread, I know!

I consistently have better results with larger doses of S.P. 13-16 inches of fat cactus does the trick for me, and it's still somewhat mild compared to stuff like shrooms.

I set aside a whole day for preparation because it takes me damn near a day to get it all done. I prefer the powder-in-capsule method, which has never resulted in nausea/vomiting for me at all. It also has the advantage of direct ingestion of all the alkaloids, unlike boiled teas that can lose some potency due to heat/straining. No need for any boiling/freezing/choking down 10 pints of goo IMO.

I like to take Pedro and most other things on a semi-full stomach. Just enough food to prevent that burning sensation, but not enough to cause extreme nausea or discomfort. A full stomach might change the way cacti is absorbed as well, so avoid eating too much right beforehand. I also drink ginger tea or eat ginger candy with my pedro to aid digestion, and drink lots of water throughout the trip to keep the intestines and kidneys moving.

Also consider set and setting. Being outdoors seems to be the preferred setting for mescaline ingestion, but I'm sure trippy festivals, concerts and other events could be great too. Taking drugs in the same place at the same time with the same people is known to decrease the drug's subjective effects, so change it up and do something out of the ordinary. Go for a nature walk, listen to new music, meditate in silence...as long as you're somewhere safe and comfortable you'll be fine.

 

Try 24"-36" inches and you go to an entirely different place than shrooms take you