Richmond Gun Rally

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  1. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Thank you. :)
     
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  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Carrying a gun doesn't make a person violent yet though. But we don't know that with a stranger, and so its still logical it makes you feel unsafe.
     
  3. scratcho

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    If a bullet costs 5000 dollars and I buy one---you can believe that I've decided that I know a motherfucker that needs shot!
     
  4. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Some people who were a gun never shoot at a human being in their lifes so no, doesn't always work like that. Not trying to trivialize the unsafe feeling. I would hate it if carrying guns would be normal in my society.
     
  5. 6-eyed shaman

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    Hoplophobia
     
  6. 6-eyed shaman

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    Then people will buy cheaper re-cased bullets on the black market
     
  7. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    When you see a guy with a pistol strapped on his hip, you will get a feeling which runs through your entire body. It's the feeling which comes from knowing that person is will and able to kill another. Consequently, it has something to do with safety.
     
  8. everything bagel

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    It's beauty gives me chills. A sophisticated weapon for a sophisticated warrior
     
  9. Asmodean

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    I'm more into european and middle eastern medieval warfare (not because i deem that as civilized btw) ;)

    But yeah, samurai swords are a special kind :) Not sure if their wielders were more civilized either though
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    A one hundred thousands percent chance of identifying a dangerous person based on personal accounts, police records, emails, phone records, etc.? Where did you come up with that statistic? You should at least try and make your arguments somewhat believable.

    Why do you assume passing this law would negate having first responders to an emergency situation ?
    Why do you assume the law wouldn't work?
    How is it is redundant to existing statutes?
    How does it nibble away at the 2nd?
     
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  11. everything bagel

    everything bagel Banned

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    Not civilized but something much more sophisticated in using a weapon that you have to dedicate years of training to master

    The Vegas shooter showed us you don't have to have any kind of skill to kill 60 people. Just point into a crowd and spray. It's the lack of skill and dedication and discipline that concerns me. We've made taking a human life way too easy
     
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  12. mcme

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    I clearly called it a guess, and based It on how many times I've heard a crazed shooter was called out beforehand vs. how many times I've heard a person referred to as a potential crazed shooter.
    One less person responsibly carrying a firearm is one less person to stop the millions of events already prevented by law abiding citizens who carry.
    I feel it wouldn't work because people who fear firearms for whatever reason would use it to ease their fears instead of taking a live and let live approach.
    The second ammendment clearly says shall not be infringed . Any concession toward infringing on it nibbles away.
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well, I guess that the law would work (based on how many times I've heard "why wasn't someone notified?")

    Millions of events? Another guess?
    I don't know what this means.

    The 2nd Amendment does not guarantee that everyone and anyone can own a gun...never did.
    The weapon used at the time of the 2nd was a musket, smooth bore, not accurate beyond a few hundred feet, expensive, unreliable, slow to load, (so you carried a knife, tomahawk, or club as back up), hard to repair and bullets were hand made rarities. Few people owned guns.

    The state militias were expected to have guns at their disposal for the defense of the state, not it's overthrow, The militias were 99.99999% white males.
    As result guns were confiscated for use by the militias.
    Benjamin Franklin favored the bow and arrow as a more practical weapon for distance and Indians would await a volley shot from muskets and then charge with tomahawks as the enemy was reloading. That's why muskets had bayonets.

    After the revolution most men abandoned their muskets.
    The 2nd Amendment has been used by gun nuts and manufacturers to promote the sale, proliferation, and use of something for things the Founders never intended.
     
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  14. mcme

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    Guns in America | Facts and statistics about firearms in the USA
    This site says 2.5 million defensive uses of firearms a year, I've read others estimating between 1 and 3 million.
    People who are afraid of firearms, in my opinion, don't seem to approach others having them with a live and let live attitude. They want them gone for everyone to satisfy their own needs. That's not how it works in America. You're (not you personally) allowed to pursue life liberty and happiness, and so am I, but we're not allowed to tell each other how to go about that.
    The free state referred to in the 2nd isn't Virginia or Massachusetts, it's a person's free state to pursue and protect life liberty and happiness without interference from someone who wants it differently from them. You live how you'd like, I'll live as I'd like, don't violate the laws, and have a nice day.
    The clips about muskets, the different times, and firearms available have no bearing on what the 2nd ammendment was put place for.
     
  15. mcme

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    And you're personal use of the term gun nut points to a hardline approach to the subject that makes swapping thoughts and opinions tough. Don't be offended if I stop sharing mine.
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I started to read your link, but I really don't have time at the moment, just the study on rape is 39 pages.
    But, anyway, what's your point? I have never said guns should not be allowed to be used for self defense.

    You talk about obeying laws, so what's the problem? when a new law is enacted, you obey it.

    The part about muskets has definite bearing on the enactment of the 2nd as that was the prevalent firearm at the time. I don't know what you are talking about in reference to "clips".
     
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  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Would you prefer the term "emotionally disturbed gun owners?" I'm not a good typists so I used a shorter term.

    Many of theses "emotionally disturbed gun owners" equate freedom with gun ownership. They value the ownership of guns over the rule of law and fellowship of man. Many openly express the desire to kill law officials who would enforce stricter gun laws.

    As a gun owner myself, I have no problem with stricter gun regulations as I value the needs and values of society as a whole over my own personal desire to won a gun.

    I would not be offended if you stop sharing your views.
     
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  18. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I use the term gun nut because I heard so many gun owners speak about the Second Amendment and ignore everything else about the Constitution. I was at the same kitchen table when Russell, Bob's daughter's boyfriend accidentally discharged a 7mm Remington Magnum. I was a few houses down from an accidental discharge by a gun smith who was a former Sheriff deputy. I know of several incidents where a hunter reached inside his pickup to retrieve his rifle, and the gun went off. Lot's of guys own guns today, but are unqualified. The Second Amendment was written in the age of muzzle loading muskets. Today's semi automatic weapons reload themselves and cock the firing pin. It's a formula for an accidental discharge.
     
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  19. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I starting to explore the idea of restructuring the Second Amendment for the purpose of changing gun ownership from a right to a privilege. WE have requirements for people concerning the operation of a motor vehicle. People who wish to drive a car or motorcycle need to learn and submit to a test, before being granted the privilege to drive a car. Cars can be dangerous in the hands of an unqualified person. Guns similarly are dangerous in the wrong hands. My first preference is outright gun confiscation by federal and local authorities. That would make America much safer for the rest of us. Strict regulation and even a supplementary system where gun owner/users are required to keep their guns at the local police station, in police lockers. When a gun owner would feel the need to go to the range for practice, or when that person is awarded a hunting permit; then and only then, the weapon could be checked out of the police locker for the specific reason, and given a limited number of cartridges. After the target range practice or hunt, the weapon must be returned to the police locker, along with any spent empty casings, and unspent cartridges. Such a new law would prevent the accidental discharge problem in America. It would also reduce gun related killing during robbery crimes. Just last night three men entered a sandwich restaurant in Indianapolis and killed the attendant during the robbery. That was so un-necessary, and evil. Without the guns, they might have taken the money and left. Maybe the gun was accidentally discharged when the robber had pointed it. Maybe the robber was intoxicated by the power of the gun? Maybe people who are so intoxicated by the power of a gun should not be allowed to hand a gun?
     
  20. mcme

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    It's my opinion that you've experienced far too many dangerous moments involving firearms. I fire thousands of rounds a year, with dozens of different people in a wide variety of situations.
    I've never accidentally discharged a round, and never been near an accidental discharge by someone else. Rules and responsibilities work. Consider reevaluating the situations you put yourself in. Like what the heck is a rifle doing in the kitchen of a crowded house.
    The era the firearm was designed and manufactured doesn't matter. An unloaded firearm with the safety on can't hurt anyone. A loaded firearm anywhere but in your direct control for a specific reason is irresponsible.
    And like I've said, it's o ly for responsible and law abiding citizens that I advocate 2nd A rights. For any reason they like.
     
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