Reversing global warming with a giant straw

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  1. johnxchin

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    Reversing global warming with a giant straw (UPDATED on December 10, 2007)


    The Kogi Indians have warned us in 1990 that our earth is being destroyed by global warming that is specifically due to cutting down trees and removing and using fuels from the earth. Unfortunately, this has not stopped. Trees are still being cut down and fossil fuels are still being burned.

    Damage has already begun to our ecosystem. The time is nearing, about five years, when there will be great loss of life due to global warming.

    Global warming is caused by man and must be corrected by man. At this time, the only viable alternative to prevent drastic destruction is to build a GIANT STRAW between the earth's inner atmosphere and space. The straw needs to be 461 miles in length, 79 feet in diameter, anchored to the Earth's surface, anchored and operated in space by a spacecraft and located over the equator.

    This needs to be done ASAP. It will take time to build the straw and spacecraft, set them up and get them operational. It will also take a lot of time operating the straw to thin the atmosphere and allow enough heat to escape.

    To be clear, the giant straw needs to be operational before 5 years in order to prevent drastic global damage due to global warming. The reason is very complicated, but I'll try to make it as simple as possible so that it can be understood more easily.


    a) The ice at the polar ice caps is melting faster than most people think it is (noting that the amount of ice varies according to seasons). Check the latest news about the "polar ice packs" and the record low Arctic sea ice around September 16, 2007.


    b) If you recall or can refer to the map projections shown by Al Gore in the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" (2006) for coastal areas like Florida and New York City, the idea for those projections is faulty because it assumes an equal distribution of the water (from melted ice) around the world. Unfortunately, there will be more water around the equator than at the poles.

    All of the ocean waters on the planet are balanced with earth's orbit around the Sun at this time. There is an equilibrium. When enough ice at the polar ice caps melt, there will an imbalance and more water at the equator due to the centrifugal force of the Earth spinning around the Sun.

    The shape of the planet will become more saucer-shaped. This shape will increase Earth's orbital speed, causing it to move farther away from the Sun and closer to the orbit of Mars until it is re-balanced. The change in the orbit of the planet Earth around the Sun when too much ice melts at the polar ice caps is the same as what scientists have called "Milankovitch cycles".

    While the symptoms of the Milankovitch cycles were noted by Serbian astronomer Milutin Milankovitch (1879-1958), the cause of these symptoms has never been known or properly explained. The symptoms involve variations in the Earth's eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession.

    There are no external forces involved to increase the speed of and change Earth’s orbit around the Sun in the Milankovitch cycles. Also, note that some people have tried to explain how these Milankovitch changes in Earth's orbit cause the advance and retreat of the polar ice caps. However, the opposite happens. The retreat and advance of polar ice caps result in the change in Earth's orbit. Again, the change in Earth's orbit will be triggered when too much water accumulates at the equator.

    Moreover, from the time that Earth starts moving away from the Sun until the time it stops, the planet is likely to spin in an abnormal way (or rotate on its axis) to compensate for the change in shape. So afterwards, every location will have a new latitude and longitude. For example, Florida may end up at the new North Pole or where Russia was or where Australia was...


    c) The planet Earth will move further away from the Sun until it is "re-balanced", which coincidentally allows the planet to cool. This is one of the reasons why global cooling follows global warming.

    Plenty of ice will form at the new north and south poles. When enough ice forms at the polar caps, the shape of the planet will change again. Then, the reverse happens. Earth will move back closer to the sun and near its current orbit. During this movement, there is also a slight possibility that Earth may spin again abnormally.

    During all of these abnormal movements of the planet, there will be no safe place anywhere on Earth. If you are at the wrong spot at the wrong time, then you may get hurt or be killed. This is a global disaster that is now certain to happen. The only question is on what date?



    There are many other ideas for solving the global warming problem, but none of them will get the job done within 5 years. Think about it.

    Most of these ideas have been known for well over 5 years. The ideas that are practical are not being done to a degree that will make a significant difference. While emission controls are a step in the right direction, there will still be more emissions to worsen the global warming problem year after year.

    Also, nobody is going to implement any of the impractical ideas, like creating more hurricanes. The ideas that could work like giant "sun shades" will take far too long to implement.

    Thinning the atmosphere by eliminating air (using whatever means possible) is our ONLY viable solution at this time. Unless this is done within 5 years, too much ice will melt at the polar ice caps with dire consequences.

    As of December 5, 2007, the minimum amount of air that needs to be eliminated in order to allow enough infrared heat to escape from the atomsphere of planet Earth to outer space and halt the melting of ice at the polar ice caps due to global warming caused by human beings is 229,256,020,550 liters (or 0.22938 cubic kilometers).




    As of December 8, 2007, the latest revised predictions for melting of ice at the polar ice caps by scientists are still inaccurate. The cause of the melting of ice at the polar ice caps is extremely complicated, but I will try to make it as simple as possible so that you can understand it.


    The melting of ice at the polar ice caps is mainly affected by sunlight, the temperature of the air above it, the temperature of the water around it and the temperature of the land below it. The LAND on the planet Earth has adsorbed, as the lower atmosphere has, a tremendous amount of heat caused by human beings. When you start a campfire or forest fire, you HEAT the LAND. When you heat buildings and houses, some of the heat is adsorbed by the LAND. When you drop bombs on the land, you HEAT the LAND. When you drill holes into the land, you HEAT the LAND. The list goes on....

    Some of the heat that the LAND has adsorbed has spread throughout the land on the planet, i.e. the land beneath all the bodies of water, due to re-balancing. When the estimate for the rate of melting of ice at the polar ice caps (and Greenland as well) is done, add the increase in temperature of the land beneath them. Although the increase in temperature is small, its effect on the melting of ice is HUGE.

    The Kogi Indians warned us in 1990. You did not listen to them. It is now 2007 and it is TOO LATE! Only drastic measures can get the job done now, but even that window of opportunity appears to be closed due to the skeptics and nay-sayers.

    ---- NOTE: Covering as much ice as possible at the poles and Greenland from sunlight may buy you a day or two. "You" means all of the people on the planet Earth, each and every one of you.


    If you are a scientist, then it is very important for you consider what I told you regarding the sequence of events that will happen. Drastic measures are now required to avoid this sequence of events.


    I have absolutely no doubt in my body, mind and soul that these events will happen and we are in a race against time. If you agree that these events can happen, then please voice your opinion to the media and help get more drastic measures implemented faster.

    With all of the skeptics there are, the probability of implementing the 461-mile long Giant Straw that I proposed in time is now 0%. NASA's 22,000-mile long diamond elevator with cooling/heating features is actually a better idea, but is probably also a lot more expensive. So, the probability of NASA building its diamond space elevator in time to prevent the global disaster is also 0% because there is not enough money in their budget to do so.



    Please help by passing this information to people who care. Thank you.


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    << How would it work?. [Tom R. email 29 Nov 2007 13:13:28 -0000] >>


    A limited amount of air from Earth's lower atmosphere will be "sucked out" by vacuum pressure into outer space. Also, the air is "forced into and up" the giant straw from multiple giant compressed air tanks that are filled by giant air compressor machines, in an air-tight system.

    The 79 feet diameter of the straw is really small compared to the size of the planet, so it is going to take time for this to work by thinning the planet's atmosphere and allowing enough infrared heat to escape the planet to slow down melting of ice at the polar ice caps.



    << However, the people who actually BUILD space travel hardware have never taken the idea very seriously. Why? Simply because no existing material would be suitable for building such a "straw" or "sky-hook cable" 500 miles long, without it collapsing under its own weight. [spiritrebel23, MSN Weird Reality 11/28/2007 10:15 PM] >>


    The giant straw can be built now with materials that are NOW readily available to successfully reverse global warming. Incredibly-expensive carbon nanotubes are not needed. The only thing that is going to fill it is gas. It can be made in a way that is similar to the way we make a long skinny balloon that is blown up with helium. The lifting of the straw (balloon) into space, holding it up and blowing it up must all be done simultaneously and fast. This will work and we need to build the giant straw ASAP.

    The "giant straw" is NOT a "space elevator" that is intended to carry materials and supplies to a spacecraft or structure in outer space. The "giant straw" is open-ended in outer space. The "giant straw" is to be filled carefully with gas ONLY (no liquid or solid matter) from multiple giant compressed air tanks on Earth that is sucked out by the vacuum of outer space (with the intake and out-take rates being approximately the same). As long as the straw is pulled up into outer space and inflated fast enough, simultaneously, smoothly and synchronously, the gas will flow from one end to the other. Helium can and should be used initially to inflate the straw.

    The thing that the "giant straw" resembles the most on the planet Earth is a "straw". Also, the giant straw is only 461 miles long, not 144,000 km as was proposed for Pearson's sky cable or 100,000 km (62,000 mile) for Liftport's space elevator or NASA's 22,000 mile diamond space elevator.



    REFERENCE: Information about "space elevator" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator



    Re: Reversing global warming with a GIANT STRAW


    I hate to say it but there is some validity in this absurd statement.... It has been suggested that a space elevator made of Diamond be constructed to an outer ring space station that would circle the globe...it would serve multiple functions.... One would be to eliminate space blast offs which do add massive amounts of carbons and other gasses to the atmosphere, but also would be hollow in the center and blowers installed to circulate cool air down from space then heat sent back out to space via the same hollow center...this is neither science fiction or fantasy...it undergoing development at NASA. ["Gary Hall" Yahoo! hinghamwx - Hinghamx Weather Nov 28, 2007 8:52 pm ]

    NASA is ahead of me with a better idea, but their space elevator is unlikely to be built and operational in time.



    Terry [AmPaTerry 11/26/2007 12:07 PM],


    << What convinces you that it is caused by human activity? >>

    I believe what the Kogi Indians said, that is global warming is "specifically due to cutting down trees and removing and using fuels from the earth".

    In regards to the first reason, trees use carbon dioxide and produce oxygen in a process called photosynthesis. Without the trees, Earth's inner atmosphere has a higher concentration of carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is scientifically regarded as a "greenhouse gas" that causes a "greenhouse effect" (or traps heat in the atmosphere).

    In regards to the second reason, all of the fuels (oil and gas) that has been used to heat up homes and other buildings have given off a lot of heat that has been adsorbed into the environment including the Earth's lower atmosphere over the years. Similarly, all of the gasoline that has been used in automobiles, airplanes and gas-engines have given off a lot of heat (plus carbon monoxide) that has been mostly adsorbed into Earth's lower atmosphere.



    For information regarding the POLAR ICE PACKS and record low Arctic sea ice around September 16, 2007, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_ice_packs


    The following news links provide more hard evidence that the scientists have been under-estimating the melting of ice at the polar ice caps:

    BBC NEWS | UK | Antarctic's ice 'melting faster'

    Washington Post | Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Melting Rapidly - New Study Warns Of Rising Sea Levels

    Greenland's Ice Melt Grew by 250 Percent, Satellites Show (during a period spanning May 2004 to April 2006 relative to the period from April 2002 to April 2004)






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  2. Zajko

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    OK, This is the last straw...
     
  3. XBloodyNailPolishX

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    wow, thats just silly and ridiculous. Not creative, just crackpot.
     
  4. johnxchin

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    XBloodyNailPolishX,

    To the feeble-minded, deniers, skeptics and naysayers, my message may seem silly and ridicious. However, the post that I included regarding NASA came from Gary Hall, who I believe is a well respected journalist. Also, there was and is no intention to be creative.

    I have been adding supporting information regularly to my web page. Here's the latest:


    1) FINALLY, SOME OF THE EXPERTS ARE NOW BEGINNING TO AGREE WITH THE DISASTER DATE (IN "ABOUT 5 YEARS") THAT I HAVE MENTIONED SINCE NOVENBER 20, 2007, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF ARCTIC ICE MELTING. HOWEVER, THE EXPERTS STILL NEED TO RE-ESTIMATE THEIR PROJECTIONS FOR ANTARCTICA AND GREENLAND ICE MELT.

    Accelerating Arctic Melt Worries Experts (Associated Press 2007-12-11 22:04:59)
    http://news.aol.com/story/_a/accelerating-arctic-melt-worries-experts/20071211220409990001

    Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm


    2) The following article mentions an idea similar to my "giant straw". Alfred Y. Wong, Ph.D., professor of physics and director of the Plasma Physics Laboratory at the UCLA proposed turning the Earth's magnetic field into a conveyor belt that would vent carbon dioxide emissions into outer space at the Artic and/or Antarctica. (as reported in the Economist magazine, May 31, 2007) / (This proposal uses a laser to alter CO2 molecules so that they would leave the earth’s atmosphere at the poles.)

    The differences between Professor Wong's proposal and my propsoal are:

    a) "carbon dioxide emissions" vs "ordinary air"
    b) "conveyor belt" vs "giant straw"
    c) "Artic and/or Antarctica" vs "equator"

    Professor Wong's proposal was harshly criticized by many people, mainly because they do not like losing carbon dioxide into space for all time. However, that is exactly what happens to probes and spacecrafts that are sent to Venus, the moon, Mars and other planets.

    I did not read nor hear about Professor Wong's proposal until over 3 weeks after the idea of the "giant straw" came to me. I am not a physicist, climate scientist, nor an economist. Also, I was never thinking about a solution for the global warming problem. The idea of the giant straw found me.

    Also, it is clear that Professor Wong is not stupid and he risked his reputation with his proposal as he had to know all of the ramifications involved beforehand. His proposal, my proposal and other similar proposals are "drastic measures" that are now required to prevent worldwide destruction due to global warming caused by human beings. No other solutions, except for drastic measures, can now get the job done in time.

    These ideas are coming to mankind now because the time of the global disaster is very close at hand. These ideas are some of the very serious warnings that typically precede major disasters.

    (Info regarding Professor's Wong's proposal) A stairway to heaven?
    http://economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9253976


    3) In the following report, Dr. David P. Stern states: "On a rotating Earth, however, the centrifugal force acts to reduce the weight of the water in the equatorial hole, and the water would rise there to greater height."

    The Rotating Earth by Dr. David P. Stern (at NASA) 9-22-2004
    http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Srotfram1.htm


    4) The following report on "Fracture Zones" mentions a "Super Storm" theory & "bulged Earth" theory used to explain some Earth changes in ancient times.

    Fracture Zones (Copyright 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 by Volantis, David Thomson)
    http://www.terracycles.com/oceanic_fracture_zones_and_ice_sheets.htm


    5) For more information regarding the Milankovitch cycles, see


    http://geography.about.com/od/learnabouttheearth/a/milankovitch.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles


    6) Edgar Cayce (1877-1945), America's best documented psychic predicted "Los Angeles, San Francisco, most of all these will be among those that will be destroyed before New York, or New York City itself, will in the main disappear."; "the greater portion of Japan must go into the sea"; northern Europe would be "changed as in the twinkling of an eye"; and a pole shift in 2000-2001

    I believe that Edgar Cayce's prediction of a pole shift was correct, but his dates are obviously incorrect. Historically, most prophesies or predictions involving dates have been wrong. Such predictions usually depend on a sequence of events, in which any of the events may be delayed or never happen. Perhaps, this is why Nostradamus (1503-1566) never gave specific dates for his prophesies.

    Pole Shifts - What Does Science Say?
    http://www.edgarcayce.org/am/poleshifts.html

    POLE SHIFT AND EARTH CHANGES IN 2000 -- 2001? by William Hutton
    http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/poleshift.html


    7) The ancient Mayan or pre-Maya chose December 21st, 2012 A.D., as the end of their Long Count calendar. Some authors have written books associating that date to an Apocalypse, while other people claim that there is no significance to this date. It has also been determined that during the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way.

    I do not like to mention predictions using dates because of the reason that I previously mentioned. However, because I firmly believe in what I have stated, the date that I received on December 8, 2007 as to when the planet Earth will begin to experience abnormal movements due to global warming caused by human beings is "September 2013" (subject to change). Because the Mayan date of December 21, 2012 is earlier, I suggest that you use that date for warning purposes as to when massive worldwide destruction will begin.

    Note that I am NOT predicting nor supporting the theory of an "apocalypse" (or end of the world). My information is ONLY in regards to coastal areas and islands to be flooded by rising sea levels and abnormal movements of planet Earth. Although "millions and possibly, billions of people will die", many people will survive. It will NOT be the end of the world NOR end of mankind NOR end of time.

    Does Maya calendar predict 2012 apocalypse?
    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_n.htm

    THE HOW AND WHY OF THE MAYAN END DATE IN 2012 A.D. by John Major Jenkins (¾ May 23rd, 1994, Originally published in the Dec-Jan '95 issue of Mountain Astrologer)
    http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html


    John

    For further updates, go to http://www.religion-info.com/straw.html
     
  5. gardener

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    Maybe we can build it out of corn shucks?
     
  6. johnxchin

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    Gardener,

    No, not "corn shucks". I know how to build the giant straw and the other pieces needed, but it is useless for me to discuss that except with the proper audience (or the aerospace engineers who would be building them).

    As I implied, super-expensive carbon nanotubes or diamond fibers can be used. However, Professor Wong's proposal would probably be cheaper to implement than a giant straw made using carbon nanotubes.

    Furthermore, even the cost of implementing the giant straw using carbon nanotubes will be insignificant to economic loss that will be caused by the series of disasters due to global warming caused by human beings. Think of all of the destruction that will occur. Remember the map projections shown by Al Gore in the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" (2006) for flooding in coastal areas like Florida, Los Angeles, New York City, San Francisco, etc.. Add islands like those in Hawaii, the Gulf of Mexico, Japan, Hong Kong, ...

    The economic loss will be in the trillions (and possibly, quadrillions) of US dollars. Also, how much is the life of a human being worth? Multiply that by millions, possibly billions of people.

    John
     
  7. Bilby

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    You do realise that there is only a net reduction of CO2 when a tree is growing? A There is really no net reduction of CO2 with a mature tree. The CO2 is only returned to the atmosphere when the tree is cut down and the wood is burnt not if the wood is turned into furniture of houses. Logical solution, harvest trees, turn the wood into something useful and replant with new more trees.
     
  8. XBloodyNailPolishX

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    i'm sorry, but I'm not being a naysayer or pessimistic, just realistic. This is silly and impossible. I would love it though if you could prove me wrong by making this work.
     
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    Hi, Billy -


    Deforestation/reforestation is really a complex subject that has been discussed by all those who are concerned with those who are in charge with no progress year after year. Even recycling has not stopped deforestation.

    It is reasonable to assume that the average person on the planet uses an average amount of wood products. So, I believe in the view held by many experts that deforestation is due to the world's population explosion. The best source for a good overview can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation

    Furthermore, even if mankind now replanted forests back to the level they were 20 years ago (which is physically impossible to do), it would no longer be enough to halt the global warming caused by mankind at this point in time. It's too late, it would not get the job done in time.

    John
     
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    You are serious about this aren't you Johnny?
     
  12. Shamanic Steve

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    Please don't do this.
     
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    Gardener,

    I am not joking, but I really wish I was. Again, the Kogi Indians came out of hiding after 500 years to warn us in 1990. They were very serious, as I am now, and people did not listen to them. Both the rate of deforestation and use of fossil fuels increased after 1990.

    I now know how the Kogi Indians felt. Most people are deniers, skeptics. naysayers or do not care about global warming. Worse are people like Shamanic Steve, who thinks you are nuts or on drugs. Furthermore, it is almost impossible to change their minds.

    If you read or re-read my messages, you can see that I have added a lot of supporting evidence that is available on the Internet (since I first started posting my message on November 20, 2007).

    John
     
  14. Shamanic Steve

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    Ha. Global warming is true. It will kill a load of people and destroy alot of land. Ask yourself this.... Who the fuck cares if we destroy our society if it unable to cope with what we are doing to our planet? Id rather die knowing the end of the world as we know it is at hand. A new dawn fo the human race, a new beginning. This is natures way of fixing itself.

    People may even thank us in hundreds of years for cleansing the planet.

    Read my thread Global Warming.. Bring It On.
     
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    And btw. you cannot "anchor" anything in space it will be pulled or pushed one way or another. The only way around it is if you continuously burned thrusters to keep the "straw" in exactly the same position.

    And also this thing is going to be heavy the ship will not be able to move it unless it is packing alot of power.
     
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    Oh and if you think you can stop it by getting rid of air. Invest in some AntiMatter and release that into the atmosphere enough of it will annihilate alot of air. Also antimatter would prove a good green source of energy. But at the moment this costs over trillions of dollars to the gram so not good enough at the moment.

    Good Luck for the Future.
     
  17. gardener

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    Kogi Indians? They know about nano tubes and diamond fibers?
     
  18. gardener

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    They live in the high mountains of Columbia, why should they be worried about Malibu, LA and New York disappearing?
     
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    O.K. I'm going to assume that there is nobody intelligent, interested and serious enough to discuss this here. So, I'm leaving.

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  20. XBloodyNailPolishX

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    ok! byebye!!! :)
     
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