Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

I don't think any law needs to be side-stepped in those circumstances.

 

You make very good points here.

I really don't see how uncovering a secret spying operation on everybody in your own country can be seen as helping the enemies. What you are implying is that every citizen in US, who is being spied on, is a threat and an enemy of their country. Since everyone is being spied on, are you all enemies?

You can't decide it's ok to take someone's privacy away just because it's more convenient for you or because you don't care about it yourself. It's is a matter of public interest, not bureaucracy.

Do you have a better solution?
If you know, how he could have notified the public about this problem without being 'stupid' as you call him, please share.

 

Welcome to the information age. Remember when there was only three tv channels and only one phone company? Probably not, if you're under forty years old. Now people can't deal with life without their cell phones. They get so stressed out, they have panic attacks. The majority of Americans spend at least ten hours a day on the internet with their phones and computers. Most can't socialize face to face with another person. Everyone is on information overload, including all governments. Now everyone has to deal with the consequences. Now you know why you have to be careful what you wish for. Cyber espionage is going to be ramped. The U.S. puts a virus in the Iranian computers and fucks up their nuke programs. Drones kill anyone the government wants. You think the U.S. is the only one that's gonna do it? Guess what's going to happen when a virus is put in the U.S. power grid, or communications satellites? Think that maybe that's what all this phone tacking is trying to prevent? Everybody is afraid of their government, and the governments are all afraid of everybody. The monster fear, is feeding off of itself. What goes around, comes around. You reap what you sow. Karma has arrived.

 

Yes, one big paranoia everywhere.

What a wonderful world.

 

This has been known for years, so now we've been made aware of some additional details.
If you wish to communicate something you don't want others or the government to have access to, use a means which cannot be intercepted or use an unbreakable encryption with the necessary safeguards.

 

Could you (or anybody) post the additional details?

I don't really think it is possible to use anything that is unbreakable - given the breaches of security of some systems.
http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2012/12/19/cia-laptop-hacked-terrorist-cia-docs-leaked-dhs-xss/

 

All I was saying is that I think it has been common knowledge that government has been monitoring communications for some time, and that the 'wistle blower' simply provided some additional facts of who and how or confirmed what some had previously suspected.

There are indeed means by which electronic communications can be made secure allowing ONLY the creator or the intended recipient able to decode the message, although employment of such means may attract much unwanted government attention.

 

I don't think it is news that communications can be monitored. Most have accepted a certain level of monitoring. This gentleman seems to suggest a whole new level of monitoring. Even though he was not an 'agent', and was an I.T specialist not directly involved in the process of monitoring.
I was asking what the other additional information he has provided - which I think is fair.

What would that be? I would say that nothing is unbeatable. It might be the case that a general monitoring programme would not pick up on certain activities. But if they wanted to do so, they could.

 

Have you ever read this : http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

Do you really think that your little computer can possibly encrypt anything that they couldn't hack open in less than 5 seconds? Did you ever consider that by "MaKIng your communications more SEcuRE" that all you would do is signal yourself as a "person of interest?"

You're talking rubbish because...
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Everyone has things in their life that are private and having a private life has nothing at all to do with being a criminal or having anything to hide. So unless someone is the weird kind of person that enjoys leaving the door open when they go to the loo. They should begin to smarten up and start acting privately.

I don't own a computer or a cell phone or even have a tele. And believe it or not, I get along just fine without them. The only time I ever access the Internet is from a client's home. It's using their computer... It's almost always after 2am and I'm tired, bored and trying to stay awake. Otherwise I wouldn't even look at the rubbish.

90% of all careers and jobs that aren't security related are quickly dying. From sweat shops to prisons, we live in a world today where there's more slaves than there ever has been in recorded history. And it's also here in the west... If you don't believe me read the ads for girls whoring themselves for a bit of nicker to pay their bills. (most are students, housewives, or immigrants) Or better still just take a stroll in ghetto and see how far someone is willing to go for a coin.

Therefore this begs the question of who's to blame for all this???

Answer : Clowns with star trek fantasies that are willing to sacrifice a portion of their brains for the possiblity of a snow ball's chance in hell at finding a sex partner on the Internet.

It's a beautiful world and a beautiful life. Your neighbor is the person that lives in the flat next door to you.. Not the persona that lives in another nation. Do humanity a favor.... Pull the plug then go invite your neighbor over for a cup of tea.






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Resistance isn't futile

I imagine you have an employer, and they know when and where you work. It would not be difficult to determine who would have access to a particular computer at a particular time. If you were conducting nefarious activities over the internet is what we are talking about - not if you happen to be bored posting on the HF's. I understand your point about privacy, but the point seems to be that you should be able to use a computer and not have every action monitored. We might as well shut the Internet down if we listen to you. If 'they' wanted to monitor you - they could. It's a question of if you are bothered or not. Clearly you feel that anything you post on HF's isn't of interest or that private. Great. I'm happy for you.

What has this got to do with the topic at hand?

LOL. Keep posting because you are funny.

Why don't you do that?

 

The information has been available, but may be news to some persons. The existence of ECHELON and some of its capabilities have long been accessable. Basically, the additional information I acquired was the extent of the monitoring, ALL of Verizon for example, and the access points from which data was being gathered. Back in the 60's I was being housed on a military base where similar monitoring systems were located, but primarily for monitoring military communications. Is there something I've written worth arguing over? I'm simply stating facts related to what I am aware of, some of which is due to having worked for a communications company, but I have no secrets I wish to divulge.

I'll only say that data can be encrypted which can only be decrypted with access to the means intended to decrypt it. The encrypted data can acquired, but no amount of computer power would be capable of breaking it. Simply put, each character is uniquely encrypted.

 

No, Yes, and I pointed that out.

No one's talking about cake, or at least I'm not.​

 

I initially asked what was the additional information he provided. I've read articles about this that and the other but could not find what he actually leaked. I'm sure it is out there. I just could not find it. A lot of opinion has been added to this story, rather than the actual facts. So, I was just wishing to try and find some facts.

Ever hear of the The Enigma Cipher Machine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine

 

I'm an in home care provider looking after the terminally ill, severly handicapped and the elderly.

There's only so much coffee a girl can drink. If it's the wee hours of the morning and I need to keep me lids open.... I can't exactly go jogging to keep awake.

But otherwise I agree with you. They could easily find out who and where I am. But I really don't even have an email account. (lost access long time ago... didn't know anyone anyway)

 

Resistance isn't futile

Try reading a book. What I am saying is, I don't want you here if it is only to fill in time, and it isn't something you are engaged in. I understand that you might not wish to convey that you like being here, but being negative about the place, and the entire process, is a real bore.

 

I've not seen anything leaked that would excite me.

Yes, I have.

 

I was not asking your opinion on it per se. I was asking for it to be posted - if possible.

And?

 

The only things new that I've become aware of is the program name 'Prism', and what I can only presume to be fact that they have gained direct access to some networks. Although I don't support what government is doing in this area, the effect it could have on me is zero, so it's just another news story. Maybe someone else is more interested in digging up details related to what, if anything at all harmful to U.S. security interests has been divulged?

And what?

 

Individual

You were basically describing what a cipher machine is capable of doing.
Are you saying there is a foolproof means of encrypting data that can not in anyway be decrypted? Even by GCHQ?

 

Without access to the keys, yes, the encrypted code is unbreakable. As an extreme, although highly unlikely yet possible example, a 40 character text could be made up of 40 copies of the same character, and the keys to decrypt each character are used but once and discarded.