Republicans

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mui, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

    Just hate paying taxes... unless of course those taxes are used to build weapons to murder people with... They claim to be in support of small government... cutting taxes, education and other things...

    In reality? They make the central government more powerful than any radical liberal could imagine... with increased military or 'defense' spending... to a budget which already gives our military 50% of our taxes... to fend off the third of the world which hates them with passion

    what liberal would make the military larger? What fear is there in a large government if the government has no real military? Liberals (and im not talking conservative democrats) want to make the government large in areas of Education, Health Care, and public transportation... the republicans make the government large in areas of Military Spending and increasing the amount of Prisons... now tell me... what 'large government' would you like to have? One that makes you pay so others(including you) can get a good education and be healthy... or a large government which spends most of its money on the Military and locking up the poor and homeless?

    ... and as george bush stated in a pro-life ralley... probably mis-quoted... but the strong have a duty to help the weak...
    unless of course, they are out of the womb... than they get 1. shitty schools 2. shitty health care (or none) 3. sent to prison

    just ranting.
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    First of all, Bush isn't even a conservative, other than for his scripted rhetoric and crafted demeanor, courtesy of Karl Rove. Bush is little more than a puppet for the elite agenda. Sure, many of the soccer mom conservatives go along with whatever Bush says and does, because they are indoctrinated minions who are part of the herd. Most REAL conservatives (meaning those who actually favor a smaller government), however, are as against everything Bush stands for as the people on the exact opposite end. They are against the war. They are against the immense government spending we have seen under the reign of Bush, most of which is being used to re-engineer American society into a fascistic, totalitarian police state.

    You are right, though, many of these typical, suburbanite, Bush-loving Republicans will go along with whatever Bush spews. They are brainwashed and they don't know very much about politics. All they know is what they heard on CNN or FOX News, and they are scared, bewildered sheeple who think Bush is actually here to protect them and their children, when that could not be further from the truth.

    I personally am against ALL taxes, because it's an illusion that they go towards helping people, when in reality most tax money goes to paying off debt incurred by barrowing from other nations, that was spent MOSTLY on building empire, not taking care of the people.

    People can't have it both ways, in my opinion. You can't have a government ruled by wealthy and powerful elites that is not corrupt, thinking that giving them more power is going to be any better for the people of a society. Any time you create a welfare state, an incredible amount of power is being handed over to a government that often cannot be trusted.

    I love helping people, but I don't believe the government truly helps people. It make them dependent on the system in which they ultimately become slaves to. I believe in self-ownership, not government-ownership. But that's just my opinion.

    Some people want the government in control of their health and their children's education.

    I don't, because like I said, I don't believe the government aids -- it hinders. The more control over the people a government gets, the more it hinders.

    Just look at Nazi Germany. Look how Hitler used Socialism to create a nation dependent on the governemnt. Following Hitler's Reichstag fire (which was used to blame on the Dutch), he promised his people a utopian society where everyone would be taken care of and protected by the government if they just went along with him, their Fuhrer. The people fell for it and look what they got.

    In short, there is no perfect solution. There is no real answer, and there is no perfect world that exists in reality. All I know is that BOTH parties serve the exact same global, political and corporate agenda. They simply use different covers to dupe the people into believing they really have a choice when they don't. ALL tax money, no matter which president is in office, is helping to fuel the same corruption that has pushed us to where we are today. This is a fact!
     
  3. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

    I see where you are coming from Rat, but I do not think that corporations could do a better job than a government-installed-program... it is hard to imagine a government with ruling elites that isnt corrupt... and hitler abused socialist ideologies much like stalin to control the people with... i still think that a large government is not to be feared UNLESS it has an outstanding military... take for instance... canada... they have a relatively socialist government which would be considered large by many conservatives/capitalists... but they have close to no military... so i would say that a canadian form of large government is not nearly as bad as an american or chinese form of government where they pool the resources to create weapons... cause basically taxes are just a way of collecting money and using it for certain things... i would say that taxes are not necessarily a bad thing, but the way they have been used insofar in american society has been reckless... schools cost money, using taxes on them is just a way of paying for it..

    a corporations goal is to make money... and if we let these corporations be in charge of our schools, they will find ways to make money that end up hurting the students.. they would sacrafice certain things in order to make more money... like a multinational corporation using slave labor to make its product... a schools goal should not be profit... but education...
     
  4. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

    There is no such thing as a real Republican or Democrat these days, at least the ones in power.
     
  5. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

    I honestly don't know anyone like this, no real conservative (aside from myself being a fiscal conservative). Everyone I know who considers themself a conservative loves Bush. It's very frustrating, how can they not see what is happening?
     
  6. Balbus

    Balbus Members

    Wow Rat that seemed to me like a very nihilistic rant. No solution, no answers, everything is corrupt and all happiness is illusionary, help is hindrance and welfare is slavery.

    Your view of government seems to be totally negative when in fact for the common person the development of government was the one thing that protected them from the arbitrary influence of the powerful those very wealthy and powerful elite’s you rant against. Kings, nobles, robber barons, corporations, all were eventually held in check by the power of government. But your solution to ‘government’ seems to be to just hand everything over to the very wealthy and powerful you rant against.

    It is when people lose confidence in their democratic government that it is most likely that something else will take its place. That happened in Germany and was one of the factors that brought about the rise of Hitler. It was also the rich elite’s of Germany that were most influential in his appointment.

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    I personally am against ALL taxes, because it's an illusion that they go towards helping people, when in reality most tax money goes to paying off debt incurred by barrowing from other nations, that was spent MOSTLY on building empire, not taking care of the people.

    What taxes are used for is in the hands of the people who elect the government. The problem with most Americans is that they seem unaware of what their government is doing, so are the government wrong for spending the taxes they way they do or the people for letting them?


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    All they know is what they heard on CNN or FOX News, and they are scared, bewildered sheeple who think Bush is actually here to protect them and their children, when that could not be further from the truth.

    In Britain we have the BBC that can produce such things as the critically acclaimed ‘Power of Nightmares’ a documentary that explains in detail just how politicians us fear to try and rule us. I think it is a programme many people here would very much like.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm (transcript)

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

    The thing is the BBC is funded by a tax.

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    People can't have it both ways, in my opinion. You can't have a government ruled by wealthy and powerful elites that is not corrupt, thinking that giving them more power is going to be any better for the people of a society.

    If you allow the wealthy and powerful elites to be voted into power they will be in power. Are you saying that if you didn’t have the choice that there was no check at all on the influence the wealthy and powerful elites could exert they wouldn’t be in control?

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    I love helping people, but I don't believe the government truly helps people. It make them dependent on the system in which they ultimately become slaves to. I believe in self-ownership, not government-ownership. But that's just my opinion.

    So expand your reasoning since to me it seems like baloney.


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    Some people want the government in control of their health and their children's education.
    I don't, because like I said, I don't believe the government aids -- it hinders. The more control over the people a government gets, the more it hinders.


    Why? If government gives education were there was none before is that a hindrance to those that are educated? If people don’t suffer or die is that hindering them?


     
  7. Rar1013

    Rar1013 GroovaMama

    I get really upset when i read things like this


    it's just more buying into the sterotypical bullshit..

    that republicans think this way and democrats think that way..

    it's all bull shit

    if bush is just for war and military...

    why has he spent more money on education and prescription drugs than anyone in history ??? why has he lowered your taxes.....why is he working on your social security....
     
  8. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

    I don't feel like reading all this thread, because I'm lazy mostly, but I would believe the idea with not wanting to pay taxes is because perhaps you would prefer to decide yourself what to do with your own money, than have the government do so for you. :D
     
  9. Rar1013

    Rar1013 GroovaMama

    I would agree somewhat souless..


    i think that money and taxes is a way for the government to control us....

    and i hate it...we should spend our money how we choose..

    but...i do see the need for a government...or structure..because the world would be chaos w/ out rules...

    i do not like paying for other peoples health care..when i myself cannot even afford the insurance that is offered to me...i do not like paying for welfare when all those people are simply lazy and generations in their family have been on it...i do not like paying for young teen mothers babys food...or wick...i do not like it one bit...i do not like the way it is done..just because we pay taxes on education..doesn't mean anything..money doesn't mean good education...i went to a private h.s. and they had 1000 dollars per student..and i got a better education there than i did at the public school..public school and the community college i attended was a JOKE compaired the the private school .. and the public schools had much more money...
     
  10. RevoMystic

    RevoMystic Member

    "why has he spent more money on education and prescription drugs than anyone in history ??? why has he lowered your taxes.....why is he working on your social security...."

    Hmmm, apparently you don't know very much. It's ok, I'll take it easy on you :)

    He's spent more money on what? OUR educational system? Really? How, when, where? The most in history? That's news to me, considering all the evidence to the contrary. Prescription drugs? Well, if you mean spent more money for privatizing them, or making them a lot more expensive, yeah, I can buy that.

    Lowered MY taxes? Nope, he didn't lower mine...I make less than $100,000 a year.

    It's ok, don't feel bad, I've been wrong too.
     
  11. RevoMystic

    RevoMystic Member

    "but...i do see the need for a government...or structure..because the world would be chaos w/ out rules..."

    And the world isn't chaos now? Also what good is a government that breaks all of its own rules, as well as the rules of international law? What good is a government that breaks treaties and guts laws that protect the environment and workers' rights?

    Sorry, but I think the planet would do a heluva lot better without the strict implementation and enforcement of governments that are only aiming to be global Empires anyway. I don't want to live under a Totalitarian one-world-government which is where we're heading.
     
  12. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

    so he can get people on his side so they'[ll join the military *sarcasm*
     
  13. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

    I talked to my mom about this, did you file your returns right? (or at all)
    My mom makes 30,000 and she got a nice amount back the last few years. You just have to file everything right
     
  14. Rebel_1

    Rebel_1 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    I totally agree with this.
     
  15. Rebel_1

    Rebel_1 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    My parents got more back under clintons policy than they did with george Bush. Trust me to they know how to file there taxes. My sister and her husband get professional help every year with there's and under Bushes tax plan they have to pay in now. They didn't have to before. Se if you dont have kids to file or anything else for that matter to file and you have a lower income you are screwed.
     
  16. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

    My mum got a tiny bit more with Bush, not much but a little
     
  17. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

    How ignorant. How sadly ignorant.

    As for the original post,
    I hate taxes. I hate government. Anyone who thinks we need either has just been brainwashed to think so. Yeah, lets have a select few people in power taking our money and our freedom, sounds great!:$
     
  18. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

    Very well put. Many people on wellfare don't try at all to better themselves. If wellfare went bye-bye it could increase homelessness a lot at first but probaly be better in the long run.
    I think wellfare should definently be more strict
     
  19. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

    Do you even know how the welfare system works right now? You can only be on it for two years... you still think it need to be more strict?
     
  20. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

    I know a lot of people who have been on it for more than 2 years (or was this started in the last two years?) Plus, doesn't it depend on the state?
     

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