Really starting to hate South Carolina

I have been here for 5 years now and have had some time to get a feel for it and though there are some nice people here, it's just run in a shittier way than other states. The standards on everything are lower for some reason. The job conditions are fucked up. You could get a job out here working on a nuclear reactor and receive a level of training that might cause you to take out half the state.

The drivers here, they fuck with you on purpose. You see it more if you drive for a living. I'm in pest control and on the road all day. Their favorite move is to wait in front of you at a light while trying to make a left turn, until the cars coming from the other direction are too close for both of you to go through and they look at you in the rearview and smile while they do it. No shit. It must happen to me 8 times a day.

People here seem angry and will fuck with youfor no good reason. When I first moved here I changed my license over. The bitch at the dmv made me drop my class a cdl to change my licens to sc because i did not have a physical. I kept telling her i only need the physical to work as a driver but i paid andtrained for the license. She wouldn't budge. Then she put me down as female on my license. When I informed her of her mistake she said i needed to pay to fix it. I had to get the manager and they finally fixed, but when i got my license back i was suddenly an organ donor. This is everday shit out here.

The people who were born and raised here and never gone anywhere else don't see it. The ones who came from somewhere else or where born here and traveled think this state is fucked up.

Employers here are crooks. Literally will steal money from you and the company if they can. Professional offices still have typewriters and shit out here. WTF? They take short cuts on everything.

I have seen the worst standards of professionalism from employees also. Zero work ethic. I started my own business to get away from the work force out here.

There are some really nice black people here, our closest friends are a black couple but also a whole lot of them that just hate whitey so bad you can see it on their face when you look at them. I got a haircut out here at a black barber shop. The guy who cut my hair did a good job but it was real quiet in there the whole time. 8 barbers and you could hear a pindrop. One of them told me he would have fucked my white head up and not done such a good job. then he told me to get my white ass of his shop and never come back mutha fucka.

Then these fake ass christian rednecks. We made friends with a family that talked about nothing but their "christian morals and values" 2 years later they were divorced, the father abondoned the family and the mother turned to smoking crack and the oldest teen daughter got knocked up.

Even the pet store I where I buy my snake food sells prescription pills to teen girls.
Everyone's got a fucked up ghetto hustle out here.

The pest company I worked for when i first got here bounced payroll checks on me and told me to spray water and not use chemical. This guy lives in a mansion and has three mercedes.

This place is bullshit. I need to move to Cali or Oregon or Mars.

 

Where do you think you could move to that you feel you might be happier to start afresh?

 

That sucks that your stuck down in the deep south, I really try to avoid that part of the country if possible.

 

Maybe California, Colorado or Arizona, I here Sedona is nice. I don't know really.

 

I didn't read your whole rant, but I remember during the republication nomination campaign the south carolinans booed Ron Paul when he was talking about stuff like the golden rule and peace, etc.

The coolest Americans I've met have usually been from California.

 

South Carolina born and raised here...

I like it here

Most of the assholes I come across moved from other states.

I live in Greenville so I don't have to deal with a lot of the backwardness of other parts of the state. Everywhere I've ever worked, for example, uses computers and not typewriters The newest version of Windows Office too!

I've never really encountered racism, from whites or blacks. I know a lot of people won't believe that, coming from a South Carolinian, but its true. The most hateful racism I've ever seen occurred once when I spent a week in New York.

South Carolinians will always stop to help if your car breaks down on the side of the road. People from out of state just swerve around you going 80 MPH in their BMWs.

There are plenty of fake ass Christian rednecks that end up on meth once their lives fall apart, but religious hypocrites exist all over the world. There are also plenty of stereotypical church ladies here that stay married to the same man until they die, raise good kids, and bake pies and give you hugs when your family members die.

Plus South Carolina is beautiful. The lowcountry is the most beautiful place on earth in my opinion. The rural upstate is amazing too. The only part I could do without is the midlands, but even that has its perks.

I leave you with a parable:

A traveler once came upon a new city. He entered the gate and stopped to speak with the gatekeeper.

"What are the people like here?" he asked the gatekeeper.

The gatekeeper replied, "What were they like where you came from?"

"Oh, just the most despicable people! Liars, cheats. They would steal the shirt off your back in a heartbeat. They were all horrible people."

The gatekeeper nodded. "So you will find them here."

Later that day another traveler entered the gates of town.

"What are the people like here?"

"What were they like where you came from?" asked the gatekeeper.

"They were the salt of the earth! Very kind, generous people. I would trust any of them with my life."

The gatekeeper nodded sagely. "So you will find them here."

 

you can certainly find people who like a place and others who dislike the same place nearly anywhere.

there is some truth to melia's parable, that what you see in others has a lot to do with you

on the other hand, mothman's experience may have a lot to do with not only the part of SC that he's in and the people that he's run into, but also the fact that he's an outsider

if you were born and raised in SC, people will probably recognize that, and may treat you differently than if you are from out of state. they may resent outsiders coming in. they may think that an outsider doesn't have anyone to back them up, so they make an easier target.

 

I feel you mothman.. i'm here in bumfuck georgia and looking to move once i finish school.

i was born in atlanta. it has only been in the last year that i really want to get out of here. where i am now is like an entirely different fucked up league of georgia. a lot of people even say i don't seem like im from around here.. thank fuck

 

Where I live in SC, there has been a giant influx of people coming from out of state and out of country due to booming industry and huge growth over the last 20 years. It sounds like Mothman lives in a more rural part of the state, where locals can tell in an instant if you're from around here or not.

And I do have a very different perspective. I'm very rooted in this area. I live within 20 minutes of most of my family. Most of my friends grew up in this area and have a lot of family in the area too. I quickly lose count when I try to count the various people I can trust and depend on who live nearby. I like living here mostly because I do have such a strong root system.

I also know a lot of people who moved here from out of state who love it here much more than I can even comprehend.

 

Yes exactly. I keep hearing about how northerners are so rude here but you don't realize how bad the yankee treatment is that northerners get from you hospitable southerners. If you meet an angry northerner, he may be mad for a reason. I constantly hear that's how we northerners are down here buts it crap. Are you telling me that when you break down on the side of the road you are checking the license plates of vehicles to see of they are northerners passing you up? I doubt that. It's just the same old defenses that you folks like to use down here. We northerners have no manners, values and we are aggressive.

My nieghbor said the same thing when I threatened to kick his ass after he shot my house with a 12 guage. I had that northern chip on my shoulder that day.

I spoke to a guy at a freakin chic-filet that was from new york, I told him i was from jersey. I asked how he likes it here and he knew what I meant. The guy cried. A grown man. Cause they treat him like shit and call him yankee.

I've not just lived up north. I've lived in Kentucky and Virgina too. I've also broken down on the side of the road in South Carolina and no one stopped. I hear from southerners this speech that goes something like this "round here we like to say yes maam and yes sir and please and thank you. I don't see or hear it anymore than I did up north where we also use such language, we simply don't puff our chests out about it.

I was just at a gas station last week about to ask a sweet looking little old lady at the register for directions. Without lifting her eyes up she said "what the fuck do you want?" I left.

Born and raised South Carolinians are often quick to defend this place as the last stronghold of family values and morality because they teach it that way here. They say that shit on the local new channels and at school functions and in car commercials here but it's not true. You folks don't have anything the rest of the country doesn't have besides sweet tea and fire ants. Sorry to tell you but your crime rate is just as high here as anywhere else.

New Jersey has some of the most beautiful pine forest you will ever see. Jersey has some bad areas but I came from a small town in Jersey and we didn't have front doors kicked in like I see here every single week. I see it all because I travel up and down this state doing pest control.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO HATE CRIME LAWS IN SOUTH CAROLINA


In this state still today there is a country club that refuses to admit blacks . In Colmbia South Carolina , The oldest, most exclusive country club, Forest Lake Club, still has no black members. Forest Lake, which dates to the 1920s, has no black members, nor are there any on its 10-year waiting list .The deed that established the club states that it must be for whites only. http://www.thestate.com/local/story/492663.html

The "state house" here in the the states capitol has the rebel flag flying high on the peak of the building. Not behind glass or folded into a triangle but flying higher than any other flag.


I copied the exerpt in quotations below from the following link

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-316935.html

"So Greenville County is the only county that I'm aware of that doesn't just have a nondiscrimination ordinance. Oh, no. They actually have a discrimination ordinance. If you are gay, bi, or transgendered, you may be denied housing, employment, insurance, services and goods. Storeowners can refuse to sell products to you. You can be evicted, legally, simply for your sexual orientation. You can be fired, or not even hired. You can be denied auto insurance, homeowner's insurance and even basic health care coverage. I believe this may also apply to bi-racial couples, but I'm not sure about that."

I don't know if that law has been changed since 2005 but they would not run the torch through greenville when the olympics where here because it was in effect at that time.

The issue of segregated proms was in the news here a while back. They still happen in this state. The black kids have their prom and the white kids have theirs. That would never happen in NJ.

Racsim in this state is not a secret.

 

SC sucks haha

 

mothman, I can certainly see why you don't like SC given your experience there. it's certainly one of the most conservative states in the us.

you may be doing to people in SC what the black people in the barber shop did to you. I'm guessing that some white people treated them badly, so then they sterotyped all white people, and took their anger out on you.

you have good reason to angry about the way you've been treated. many of the generalizations that you've made about SC likely have some merit

it's a mistake to hate on everyone in the state though. moving to another part of SC or to another state asap might be a good idea.

 

nah. I'm just basing it on personal experience. I've asked people who were obviously not from the south for help before when my car was broken down, and they were ridiculously rude to me. I've had southerners stop and help me. I've also had Mexicans stop and help me, a couple of different times. If we're stereotyping here, lets give Mexicans a huge round of applause. They're some of the nicest people you'll ever meet.

There are good and bad people everywhere.

thats retarded, honestly. I've met a shitload of northerners down here and none of them were discriminated to the point where they broke down and cried about it. Most of them have built lives here, completely with a whole crowd of southern friends.

Its funny you mention that. I've been saying for years that southerners that run gas stations are the meanest people you'll ever meet. Yet there is one gas station I used to go to a lot that was ran by a really nice guy from Long Island. We actually became friends because he was so damn nice.

In some areas its a lot higher, actually. Crime rates generally correlate directly with poverty levels, and the south definitely has its share of poverty.

wrong. They moved the state flag from the top of the state building to a monument honoring fallen Confederate soldiers in 2000. I remember the day the bill passed to remove the flag. It was huge news. Most people I know were in support of it being removed.

Sorry but I have to call bullshit on this. For one, I've taken fair housing classes for work and all fair housing anti-discrimination laws are mandated federally. I can't say I personally know about any laws regarding employment, insurance, etc but I would be willing to bet that those laws are also mandated on a federal level as well. It doesn't matter if SC or Greenville has any anti-discrimination laws in their books. Discrimination is still outlawed because of federal law.

Trust me, people who are not from SC reading this bullshit... Black people, gay people, bi-racial couples have equal opportunity in this state to find employment, housing, health care coverage, auto insurance, etc.

I've never heard of it happening here. Link please.

All the way from elementary to high school, I went to schools that were basically 50% white and 50% black. Prom definitely reflected this.

No, but people definitely like to keep it a secret in other parts of the country. What about the NYPD cop I met in a bar in New York who said Brooklyn should be caged off like a zoo to keep all the monkeys away from white people?

Or the midwesterner I once met who had never personally spoken to a black person until they moved here? He wasn't racist per se, but he definitely didn't have a lot of diversity in his life.

Or the guy from Illinois that I once dated and subsequently broke up with because he routinely referred to black people as a "bunch of niggers"?

Racism is a problem everywhere buddy.

 

I was born in Atlanta, and have actually lived in very rural SC for many, many years...unlike Columbia - which is NOT rural.

Anyway, regarding breaking down on the road - Mel, you forget that since you are a young female that MAKES ALL THE DIFFERFENCE IN THE WORLD. I have broken down on the road several times in the past 10 years...and watched car after car after car pass me by. Twice I was lucky enough that my mechanic saw me and stopped and helped, as well as I have walked up to 4 miles to get home...with NO SOUTHERNERS stopping to ask if they could help.

This very year I accidently locked my keys inside my car at the tax accessor's (yeah, I know, stupid) and was alone. I am not big - but I'm also not young. I was dressed nicely enough, and I would have thought you could tell I wasn't "up to something". hah You would have thought I had running leprosy when almost begging to just let me use a phone to call my son who would get my extra keys!

I absolutely totally agree with Mothman about the horrible drivers here in SC. I have seen more than one appear to INTENTIONALLY screw you and look in that rear-view mirror and SMILE .

Finding a job in this state when you are completely out of your 30's is almost a joke. EVERY SINGLE TIME I have put down the truth of my education (college graduate) I have NEVER ONCE been called back for an interview, so I now lie (omit the truth).

I have had it drilled in my head since early childhood not to hate...but I come as close as possible to feeling that way toward our deceitful governor. To me, she is a very accurate representative of the majority of ppl that live here.

I'd say try Charleston, Mothman...it is much more open-minded there. Also, my experience with ppl from NC is good. All in all, I actually like the south...but it is a "learned" like (lol). I have a LOT of years invested in SC, and I cannot say I disagree with anything you have said, Mothman.

 

Mel I live in Columbia that flag IS on the statehouse, I see it everyday. The did not move it, they fought about it here. It's on the news once a month how some orginazation will demand it be taken down and they say hell no. If it was ever moved than it was moved back.

Mel your Carolina pride will never let you admit that anything bad happens here. You are too busy defending it.

You can call bullshit all you want but your standing in big pile of it yourself. No amount of proof will convince you. This whole state could hold hands and sing we hate northerners, blacks and gays and you would still beat your drum.

Do you have on of those "NATIVE" SC stickers on your rear car window?

 

I have been to Charleston and it is a much nicer part of SC. Thank you also for speaking your opinion honestly. I don't feel this way because I am anti south or anything. I learned to dislike this place over time because of my experiences here.

 

No, I don't have a SC born n raised sticker or a GRITS sticker or any other annoying, kitschy bumper sticker on my car.

I know SC has its flaws, but I see a lot of good in this state and it annoys me when people want to get on their soapbox about SC but only point out its flaws when this state has so much good to offer.

Natural beauty, quaint, clean cities (mothman, I didn't realize you live in Columbia. Columbia is a shithole. It also has its good points. A thriving music and arts scene for one.) Charleston is one of the most beautiful and historical cities in the country. How many states can boast of a city like Charleston? Greenville routinely gets picked for the top small cities in America in various polls, its been in the top 5 main streets in the country 5 years running.

Ever spent a day kayaking around the lowcountry marshes of SC? Or hours riding through the backroads of the swamps above Charleston? Or swimming in Lake Jocassee? Or climbing to the top of Table Rock, or the top of Whitewater falls? Ever spent a day on Folly Beach?

If you haven't done any of those things you have no right to judge SC because you're completely missing every good thing the state has to offer.

Lynn, people all over the country have problems finding a job as they get older. Businesses and corporations like to hire younger people because they're fresher and they can pay them less. That has nothing to do with South Carolina. Its a routine business practice everywhere.

As far as the confederate flag above the capitol building....yeah, I don't live in Columbia and I haven't seen the capitol building since I took a field trip when I was 8 years old. But I've seriously looked at about 5 different sources, and every single source claims the flag was taken down and moved to a monument on capitol grounds.

and I don't see the flag in any pictures of the capitol building that comes up on google unless it was taken before the year 2000.

So maybe they just take the flag down everytime someone snaps a picture.

 

I have been kayaking here, I hunt in deer and hogs all of the state. I can appreciate how beautiful some parts of SC are but you are missing the point. It could be the Garden Of Eden but if it's full of assholes then it still sucks.

I just googled this whole flag issue and the flag does seem to be moved, from the fuckin dome on top of the state house to RIGHT IN FRONT of damn state house ON STATE HOUSE GROUNDS! It has no business there. That is the government headquarters of our state and not a museum. We are not under that flag. We don't shoot with muskets, men don't where white whigs anymore and we don't get to work in a horse and buggy.

You knew how close that thing was to the front door of the state house and yet you continue to speak of it as if it is in some far off war memorial on perhaps a museum property.

You also know what a huge controversy it has been and yet you keep bringing it up like it's not a problem.

I have also noticed how you went on to speak negatively about NY and how rude northerners are. I can almost here you sayin "Na ahh you are".

Have you ever stopped to consider that so many people get on a "soapbox" about SC for a reason? Every state has beautiful areas. Ever been to the Grand Canyon? Ever seen the sunset in Arizona? my fucking god it's heaven. Ever seen the mountains of Colorado? New Jersey has fuckin pine trees and meadowlands and marshlands and placed to kayak and canoe for christ sake. Ever watched the buffalo run at Yellowstone?

All of this beauty is a seperate issue from my complaints about this state.

The following sums up this thread so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg"]No no no Donkey - Family Guy - YouTube

 

Well then leave dude.

I don't have anything against northerners, actually. With the exception of the racist cop, everyone ive met traveling through new york actually went out of their way to be nice to me.

But i don't plan to move to new York and turn around and insult the whole state and everyone in it.

 

not just christian rednecks, but religious zealots too. its a whole other ballgame. one difference my family noticed moving south of atlanta is that people talk about religion and jesus and god and creation and bullshit on a daily basis at work, etc.

i know sc isn't all south of atlanta, but i have family there and its bad