I have been a wiccan for as long as i can remember and i am so sad to say that i am ashamed at the wiccans today, with their so called " christian wicca ". Hello loosers- remember the burning times? Remember all of the hate and prejudice against us for our beliefs? I do..I know persecution. From my own family..friends..county. I have felt first hand the whip of the murderess christian pigs. I was assulted for my religion. Another thing...Modern wicca is bull@$it wicca is not supposed to be modernized, it is supposed to be a nature religion, but half of the wiccans out there couldn't give a damn for nature. Bye, Because of you i no longer want to call myself a witch
LOL....angry are we? Just so you know, there were 0 wiccas burned during the so-called "burning times" calm down, re-think your point, construct it with fact and intelligence, and think of how long you can remeber of your last 16 years. Check in when you mature a bit. Until then, I agree with your disdain for Christian Wicca, but not as much as I have a deep seeded dislike of "Celtic Wicca" p.s. In saying "modern wicca" you mean as opposed to the "ancient wicca" of the 1950's right?
Listen to Heron, he may be an arsehole or have his head up it most of the time but he is right about this one. Thx
Wow Eramus agreeing with Heron, never thought we'd see the day Whilst this violates my policy of not arguing with those who have worse spelling and grammar than myself, I really can't lewt this one slid. For the record I'm not 'attacking' any one person, just a collective ideology... Shall start by saying I totally agree with Heron. He knows his stuff and has done I'm guessing far longer than you or I have. Sixteen is horrible age, I know. You are angry, confused, in search of a solid identity. I also look back on that time and realise that in the grand scheme of things sixteen is very young, even the most mature of that age do not have a great stock of wisdom and experience. Even sixteen years of spirituality isn't much, and no I don't buy that you can truly comprehend and affiliate yourself with a religion as a small child. There were no burning times. People more intelligent and rational than I have written essays to point out the details of this fallacy. Am sure you are smart enough to figure out how to find them. Persecution you say, pampered teenagers in America and modern Europe don't know the meaning of the damn word. I've seen the results of true religion persecution, in history class and by actually standing in a concentation camp. Six million people humiliated, excluded from every sector of life, rounded up and murdered in cold blood based on nothing more than ideology and genetics. Many of them children too young to understand. And what, you can't wear your pentancle to school ... yeah my fucking heart bleeds. Can you honestly look me in the eye and say that if those tables were turned, if there was 'a wiccan holocaust' that you would without hesitation die in the name of your religion? ... think long and hard about it. I know that the average collective mindset abhors deviation (stop me if I'm using too many big words) but you know what; Christians have familes, jobs, lives. They have better things to do resurect the Nuremberg laws and turn them on pagans. Really have to wonder if to a certain degree Wiccans don't bring it on themselves. How do they even know you're wiccan, does it matter, why should they care? If you go skipping around rubbing it in their faces and demanding to be treated as you want to be, then face it you're going to get shit on. Think of it as the Gods giving a valuable lesson is decorum and humility. Fine don't be a witch then. All the same to me. One less insincere idiot to argue with. If you can't take the heat, well then it's probably best you go find some new fad to play with.
HA! Sage, as usual, you F'n Rock! As usual, Heron and I agree. Sixteen is rough. It can be even rougher when you get taken in by a snow job pushed on teens by a major publishing company. Calm down. Breathe. Do some research. Give yourself a few years, and see if you don't look back and cringe at your posts. Then again, maybe not. Some people don't outgrow the persecution stage of their lives. I was there once, too. Looking back, egads, that was embarrassing. If you were in fact, assaulted due to your beliefs, there are laws against assault. Religion doesn't need to enter into it. File a report. Press charges. Move on. Sorry if this comes off a little harsh. I don't mean for it to. It's just that, well, My give-a-damn's busted.
LOL thank you Do agree sixteen is a rough age, can remember it fairly well. Comes with the territory to believe the whole world is in a big conspiracy against you, when really it isn't. Just a matter of perspective. Got the persecution complex out of my system with being a hippy, and vegetarianism to a lesser degree. The principles still hold true though, and yes it is very embarassing with hindsight. Living a 'minority' life style choice means it's not going to common and accepted to the degree we might like. Simple fact of the universe. We can't completely change it, only our perception of it to make things easier to live with. Amazing what a diffrence just four years can make.
Its ok though, he is only 16, but he is a shaman! Dont believe me? Check out the Animism threads, full of his wisdom. Its quite entertaining, with lots of accidental humour.
okay, dude is 16, non-christian, and lives in North Carolina. I get his anger and frustration. Been there, in Tennessee. Best thing to do is *not* call yourself a witch. Most people don't understand. Do you understand what it is yourself, or are you simply rebelling against your Daddy's religion? Now, what would be really fun, I know, been there done that, too, is to learn as much as you can about Christianity. Read the Bible. No, really, I mean it. Then when people start spouting nonsense with nothing else to back up their statements other than "The Bible says..." you can counter it by being more educated and better informed than they are. Go join the UU church, I know there's lots of them in NC. The religious education you would get there is priceless. They will teach you about all different religious beliefs without putting any of them down, and allow you to choose your own path. Plus, you'll make some really cool friends. When you are older you may realize that everyone has different beliefs, and everyone is entitled to worship however they desire. If somebody wants to label their beliefs christian-wicca - it really is no business of mine. Religion is a personal relationship with the divine. Focus on your own personal beliefs, and stop worrying about what anyone else believes or claims to believe.
Good advice mama. I grew up Christian, and took it very serious as a child, forever reading the bible. Much like i am now, but on a different team lol. But it comes in handy, the knowledge of others. Not only in a situation of defense, but just to have a broad mind of knowledge. Study all religions, just to know their depth. I had a great time in my World Religions class, and was soon both the bane and blessing of the teacher lol. Oh and baby red dread there is adorable.
I loved religious studies too. Probably stemmed from my wanting to be a writer, trying to figure out what people believed and why. Similar deal with history. Did dabble in christianity too. Liked the concept of religion and that was about the only thing open. There can't be many people who can put 'seven year old agnostic Jesus freak' on their spiritual CV. Still have my Bible at home. Highly recommend learning and searching in any situation, especially with religion. Seems like as soon as you think you're settled something comes up that blows everything out out the water. It's a good ride though.
CV haha silly brits. For everyone else, thats resume =P What were you raised as Sage? Or what were your parents?
LOL yeah who'da thought. Resume ... oh well, if you insist. Generally do default to American terms if I know them, just makes things simpler. My swearing however is decidedly Anglo-saxon. Anyway ... My family are supposedly Anglican*; in that they are all baptised, married in church and such. Though in practise are agnostic humanists, and actually rather cynical toward religion and anyone who is overtly religious/spiritual (they refuse to answer the door to Jehovah witnesses). My brother and I were Christened, because apparently that was just the done thing in the mid/late '80s, and it would 'give us the choice to be religious or not' (have spent years pondering that and still can't see the logic there). Otherwise weren't raised with much in the way of specific religious instruction, morality sure but it was reasonably secular. Can't remember the last time we went to church (aside from looking round them on vacation) They still swear blind they're Christians though. Will generally humor them because it's harmless enough. Am still peeved that my mother wrote it on the last census on my behalf. Aside from it being untrue (thinkI was humanist back then) didn't think she had a right to make such assumptions without consulting me. They know I'm pagan now, don't get it but let me get on with it. Though am trying to train them not to mess up my altar or use it as a side table *church of England, mainstream Christianity, technically protestant
Wicca is an embracement of many spiritualities, worshiping many dieties. Jesus and the saints are as much dieties as all the Greek and Celtic ones that Wicca practices. It's nice to see that you're practicing the openmindedness that's been bigoted against you (snarky snark) um, you know, in the whole perspective of world religion, the Wicca religion is fairly new. Dieties may have been around for a while, but nonetheless. well, there you go. Maybe there are those of us who feel better off w/o the rantings of a 16 yr old's teenage anger.
I am very impressed, you have a lot of wisdom and maturity already. Never meant to offend, it just gets rather frustrating to hear other teens who don't have the honesty and humility to admit they don't 'know it all' already. Especially when you can look back and realise how wrong you were. So wonderful to know there are some wonderful exceptions. Do totally agree with you. Good luck with your quest
The Inquisition and the witch hunts were actually started as a persecution of Jews, and later expanded to inclued mostly Christian "heretics" - that is, other Christians with differing views - and political enemies of the Church. Its targets only became seemingly "random" as the fevor reached its height. Even then, it was generally something that set a person apart from others - old age, mental illness, a beautiful woman spurning the wrong powerful man - that made one a target. It seems random by today's culturally diverse American standards, but it was from the start very carefully chosen political and religious persecution, hatred by design.
" I claim no perfection for myself. But I do claim to be a passionate seeker after Truth, which is but another name for God/Universe. ." ....M. Gandhi No matter what religion you choose or what others think of that choice it is how you present yourself to the world. If you want to impress anyone on how great your beliefs are then live the life that proves it to the world. Be the example of all that is good in your choice and be judged by that alone. Let no one shake you from that life.
