this may be a rant but bear with me... every once in a while for who knos wat reason my dad calls me down and just argues with me about my views of the world. The problem is that he is a very intelligent right wing republican, who knows how to debate extremly well, while i myself am a 14 yo freshman. Whenever he calls me down he begins to start on my stance on the war (shouldnt happen), has a million reasons why we should do it, basically twisted my words into saying that we should have invaded iraq, said that i dont havea stance at all and that im only against the war cause i want to be against something, then he starts to critize ppl in general that are against the war saying that they dont think of the future, only this minute... so i mention that i dont want the war/other wars to continue b/c i dont want to be drafted b/c of the lack of troops (which is a very real possibitly in the next few years), so then he starts to tell me thats just being a coward, then starts bashing on ppl that run from the draft as just being damn cowards who should just leave the country, along with ne one else who opposes a draft... finally out of despair i just say fine dad when im 18 im goin to amsterdam or canada where i dont have to worry bout getting drafted... is there anything taht i can say that is almost impossible to argue against ne one else out there have these kinds of probelms (wat do u do)
You could tell him to fuck off. Failing that beat his ass when you are big enough. I haven't had contact with my dad in 6 years because of his belligerent ignorance, although at 14 I can appreciate your lack of options (unless your parents are divorced) Your dad probably isn't nearly as bad however. If you want to be diplomatic about it, just tell him your skull is too thick and he's wasting his time. If he's still insists on arguing just tell him you disagree and you don't want to hear it. If he still won't shut up, just go for a walk or change the dynamic and ask him to play catch or something. If your consistently non-responsive he'll get it eventually that it just isn't worth talking about. My mother (with whom I have a better relationship) is an NRA activist and we just follow the simple rule of live and let live. If he is actually more abusive than I realize then its a problem you as a minor won't be able to solve without outside help. Good luck.
sweety, you're problem isn't your age, it's your ignorance. there are thousands of websites out there displaying the horror known as the united states government, and almost as many books. read up my dear. there is nothing more satisfying than leaving an adult republican speechless. ok sex is, but you know what i mean
o my dads not abusive or ne thing, its just hes always being a prick about my political opinons... btw i dont use stuff off any website and call it a fact.. hell i can out anything i want on a website... ne way even if it were true i couldnt use it against my dad b/c there would be no creditabitly to some website... give me a good link and id look at it
norml lol i tried to argue with my dad once bout legalizing marijuana.. that just gets u a smack not a debate
I call those the "Hi, let me shit on you" phone calls. I get them too! What can you do? Well... it's tricky, because it's a parent. You can try to explain that you aren't interested in discussing such things with him any longer because it just ends in hurt or anger. But, that might (might) be the reason he is calling. I usually get my "shit on you" phone calls when my parent has had a bad day and feels like fighting. Not feeding it is the thing to do then.... stay calm and refuse to take the bait.... then say that you busy and not able to talk right then. Then, HANG UP THE PHONE! Good Luck and don't let the parent-monster hurt you!
tell him his use of rehtoric and twisitng your words around only proves that he is insecure about his ( make sure to use his) war, and his blind devotion to a political party, and simply tries to justif it, by making others feel wrong about any veiws they may have that oppose his who should just leave the country, along with ne one else who opposes a draft Yeh if you dont like it my way get out!, called a Facishm, and here poor little me thought we had a democracy, tell him to stop making a mockery of democracey and if you want to get into it more tell him, wars for ideals are stupid, its not worth dying for an idea ( atleast if you have any value for life) now say to fight for resources, safety , those are reasons for war, But as it has been said the war was not for oil, and that the main reason now is to bring democracey and peace to the middle east. but fighitng for peace? come on... hoorah for mis-spellery
it was a joke... jesus christ. my civics teacher is a perfect example of an intelligent right wing republican. but he's still ignorant about many things and so am i so hey...
you were on a roll till that last paragraph which made absolutely no sense to me. are you saying it's ok to kill people over oil?
He's literally hitting you? If he is, bulk up (lift weights) and then hit him back once you're bigger. Not the ideal solution, but your only alternatives to that which I see are hitting the streets (bad idea, way bad idea) or turning him in for abuse. Never lose sight of the fact that a parent smacking a child is abuse, particularly if it's simply over a difference in political opinion! If you just mean metaphorically smacking you, um, never mind.
Are you fucking stupid? Smacking a kid isn't abuse, it's discipline. There's a difference between a slap on the back of the head and a beating.
what sucks is that the cost of living is so fucking high that most people our age (18-25) still live at home mooching off their rents. i cant wait to get the fuck out of here!
my dads the same, although im in canada and hopefully to god dont have to worry about the draft it amazes me the way he can say "well if i had been drafted to vietnam I would have gone" the problem is that he wasnt drafted to vietnam so he doesnt really know he has no idea what its like to go to war, and neither do I but I sure as hell dont want to find out. I told him that I would not go to war and of course he said I was a coward, fuck that.. this is my life my future, and I find it pretty insulting that when it comes down to it all hed rather have a dead son than a son that refuses to go to war.
Are you? There is a difference between smacking (lightly) a misbehaving toddler for throwing a hissy fit and striking a teenager for having a mind of his own. My dad should count his lucky stars he wasn't stupid enough to do that to me. I second Bitter_Pill's weightlifting idea. Sometimes thats all some people understand.
i ment it from a materlisitc stand point, a war for something you can actualy have, a resource, people power, a river, those are wars that make sense ( as much as wars can ) but a war over an idea is just crazy, because you dont even get anything to benifit the people who fought for it ( home front included) to clarify more, say we went for oil, gas prices fall and we secure our energery mongering needs for the next 20 years, ecnomey is up and people seem to win (Not to say that certianit companies arnt profitting now *cough* halaberten *cough*) but for democracey.. what will we get even if we win? not that i support war for resources either, but yeh..
your dad reminds me of my dad in most ways(but not all). Your a freshman, so be prepared for things to get a lot worse. I agree with whoever said hitting the streets is a bad idea, but sometimes that sort of thing just has to happen. dont ever sacrifice you belifes, but try your best to get along with your family. i ended up on my own before highschool was over for me, and all i can say is give it more thought than i did. good luck dude. pm me if ya ever want to talk.
RWRs are smart but often leave their hearts out of debate. We often find that swatting a misbehaving toddler is also swatting for their audacity to have their own minds! (tangent, my son got thumps on diaper covers as a noise to get his attention. Clapping sounded like I was calling a dog. I said "hitting kids teaches them that it is OK for bigger people to hit little people. Look at his dad and grandfather. (6 foot and 6-6, resectively. I'm 5-2.) How much longer until I'm little people?" Answer was 13 years. He's 13 and bigger than me-height and weight.) But back to the debate with dad. These are an aggrivating learning opportunity. I was a debator in high school, so I enjoy a good tear with someone. you know his arguments: build your counter-arguments. Maybe there are facts/events that are conveniently left out. Maybe there is a different interpretation of events and actions. Check out these anti-war groups: code pink 3rd November Movement Vietnam Veterans against the war (active in opposing the current wars) Move on.org (rephrase the arguments here as they are a bit strident and can border on hysterical-- I support them, don't like the presentation, but they ARE effective) See the Green Party's anti war stance. look into oil issues: in 2004, the average fuel economy was that of the model...T...I think (could be A) search for life beyond oil. look at transport issues relating to sprawl, and pull the big one out: Thou shall not Kill. Even in my heavily annotated Torah, no excuses are given to agressor wars, only defense of where you live. Hope this gets you started....oh, I bet the debate team has some research info, although many states don't have the cojones to debate a current war. (and the league for the state sets the topics.) ask a debate geek, or the speech teacher (beware of attempts to get you on the team...that's how they got me...that and my accent. )
