random is an illusion

Discussion in 'Metaphysics and Mysticism' started by cataclysmic cognition, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. cataclysmic cognition

    cataclysmic cognition Member

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    Random is just a term we ascribe to things we lack the capability to understand. True random does not exist, everything must fit in the causal chain. everything that happens to you is related to everything else that has happened to you.
     
  2. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    "Happening" is arbitrary to the observer.
     
  3. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I'd say "random" is the term we give to thing that either;

    -Don't fit into any of the catergories offered

    -Is used when one is not familiar with a field of study, thought, etc. that the "random" thing might fit into

    -Is used simply to describe something that came about without any noticeable pre-existing context or segue

    One doesn't just say, "look at that random sea shell," as a way of describing a shell they don't understand. They'd say, "look at that shell." "Shell" determines that they know what it is and that it's not random, even though they may not know what kind of shell it is. That doesn't make it random.
     
  4. andallthatstocome

    andallthatstocome not a squid

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    my inner discordian (that little troublemaker!) would say just the opposite; rather, that orderly is just a term we use to describe things we lack the capacity to apprehend in all it's glorious chaos. Causality falls apart on sufficiently small scales. order depends entirely on the grid you use, man! HAIL ERIS!

    FNORD
     
  5. Neosimian

    Neosimian Member

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    I am currently agnostic about whether or not randomness exists. Quantum physics suggests that (contrary to what Einstein stated) God does in fact play dice with the universe, although the only way that makes sense to me is if we live in one universe out of many multiverses. In such case, we'd have only an apparent randomness, since all possibilities would play out in the ultimate reality.

    Well, once we start talking about being embedded in multiverses, it starts to appear that we can never, ever know whether or not randomness occurs. That is to say, not even in principle is it possible for us to know, since we are phenomena of this particular universe.

    Part of me (let's call it my ego) rebels against the proposal that I cannot know. Another part of me (let's call it my intellect) tells me that I'm silly to rebel against what is.

    I can concur, in part, with the original sentiment: "Random is just a term we ascribe to things we lack the capability to understand." In many cases, that's true; people do behave that way. It might also be said, though, that the same can be said of "God". To wit: "God is just a term we ascribe to things we lack the capability to understand."

    Oh, the word "stupid" can also be used in that sentence. "Stupid is just a term we ascribe to things we lack the capability to understand."

    Did I miss anything?
     
  6. ~xR*Z*Nx~

    ~xR*Z*Nx~ Member

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    what's real? chaos IS order, man...\ haha
    it's a flow.
     
  7. andallthatstocome

    andallthatstocome not a squid

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    ^ one may call this flow "the spinning of the chao" lol
     
  8. chrisdotdo

    chrisdotdo Member

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    We have the capability to understand "God." A power inside of us knows that truth of understanding..., but we simply do not want to lose our a fascination, that love of being separate from "God." It's really quite simple: "God" is one and everyone will end up as one (someday); therefore, something has to be erased or destroyed. And it ain't "God."

    Everything else is but a diversion; however, I'm not saying a diversion is not real. Everything is real in the "now."
     
  9. Geoffrey_Savah

    Geoffrey_Savah Member

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    Chaos is a pattern
     
  10. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    Albeit a random one ....
     
  11. lostminty

    lostminty Member

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    what about normal distribution. given enough examples everything averages out to be the same. depending on your scale things can be remarkably dissimilar or very muchness.

    And what is scale but an ability to behold a range of values.

    Were i to behold the values of all religions, they'd look much the same, if i examined their practices it may be quite different.

    As lives in the moment, not concerned with what is coming and going, only with what is there..all is random, and all is muchness, the same. As you abstract from a situation, again some things gain definition, others fade out...its pure examination of an object.
     
  12. The_Seal

    The_Seal Guest

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    i agree . call it 'karma' or what-ever . . . . . . you are wise my friend .
     
  13. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Causality is random
     
  14. lostminty

    lostminty Member

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTH4VSIQZw&feature=player_embedded"]The Secret Life of Chaos - Part 1_7 - YouTube
     
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