I was wondering if anyone knew the difference between racemic meth(derived from p2p) vs d meth (from ephedrine). I want to know if there is a significant difference in the product and which one do people generally prefer. any opinions?
No body uses biker meth anymore unless they wham it! As far as i know the proper effects of the biker stuff wont be felt unless you eat/wham it. Ice has a very diffrent effect and generaly P2P can't be smoked due to the mental heath complications that follow, it can quickly cause alzheimer's and lung tissue damage. in my circle if its not epherdrine based it wont be sold. Ice is very much more potent and "clear headed" and is usally sold near pure - the increase in price reflects this. ICE has a distinctive taste when smoked so even if the biker stuff was clear it would not be movable in my circle unless you removed the taste as well! I have heard stories about opium laced meth but i would say thats the biker stuff made clear as it gives a "clammy peaky euphoria" instead of the "clear smooth headedness" of ice.
Ice and high purity ephedrine/psueodephedrine powder meth is the only way to go. The biker/P2p synthesis produced d,l meth which is shitty,and dirty. ephedrine or psuedoephedine ,whether made into crystal " ICE" form or made into a clean high purity powder are the best . Powder meth is easily made into crytal meth via crystalization using denatured alcohol,and sometimes other solvent types. Both are good,if made properly and clean and not cut ,especially not cut. Been using meth in powder and crystal form later since 1995 when I was 18. Most powder meth has been replaced by Ice here where I am and in most places in the US where meth is availble. It is cheaper to but ICE where I live than it used to be for really pure powdered meth.. So cheap it's easier for the former cooks to buy an a few ounces or pounds and sell it ,than to take the risk an all the time to cook powdered meth..lol..It's $500-700+ an OZ here depending on who you know..But a gram of ICE goes for $80-100 a gram on the "street" or retail price,and I can buy an 8-ball for $100-120 so if you have a connection you can get rich selling ICE here,but I stay low key and in a tigh as hell cirlce,so we all pay cheaper than street prices for our dope here.
I know a truck driver than bought some meth (powdered type not ICE) back in 98 or around then in Colorado,and gave it to my friend(his nephew) and me because the rock of white powder had a lotta brown specks in it that was heroin mixed in! lol, we smoked some of that mix dope and it was an odd buzz, kinda cool ,but wierd..pretty good when snorted,more smacky feeling kinda,nausea at first then after a while the speed would overtake the heroin effects and you would have a good but spacey kinda speed buzz..lol
for example in perth, Aus on the streets they are known as 2 different drugs. Speed $ 200 per G (cut whamin crud) Meth rocks (p2p) $ 400 per G (rare) then... Smokable ICE $800 per G or up to $1500 for purez 1:1 if u can get it... $4500 - Q $16,000 - OZ Gives an idea of the system here in aus! hope it helps! Experienced smokers can tell the ruff purity and method of making from the taste. The ideal product is the Iodine/ red Phos method as its easy to taste the goodness and is very smooth. if is for example the lithium battery method it will not have much taste and be harsh but zine's/iceheads dont care this is just my personal preference!
LOL @ DK420's 98' experience! got TOMBOLAS REMBOWLA AKA ROLLERCOASTER...LOL..it pops up from time to time here, usally in seedy red light districts!!! LOL & by just scrolling the page and seeing "ICE" in capitals everywhere anwsers the Question!!!! Peace!
yes the lithium does have a taste to it more than ice,but can be cleaned by an acetone wash and usually is.Sodium metal was used when it was more popular here,powdered meth I mean. Damn those prices for Ice and powder meth are crazy high!!! powdered meth is very much smokable here, although not as clean as Ice in general. The prices for Ice here in the US are much much lower than yours!! An ounce goes for $800 at the most usually here and I'm talking about all the ICE that is 90-95+ % pure . A pound of Ice is 1/2 or 1/4 of the OZ price you listed! $16,000 an OZ..damn we can get 95-98% pure kilograms of Ice for $8000 or so! But Australia is way far from here and from all I know ,the customs agents and all those people in Australia are very good at finding drugs coming in, so you guys need some corrupt Customs Agents like here in the US!! lol.. not all.but some along the Mexican broder are paid to let drugs come into the US,and many Police are paid off by the vast weath of the Mexcian Drug cartels.. 1 years salary for letting a truck or a cetrain car or two through the border is quite hard to turn down!!
Assuming all ephedrine is reduced ephedrine meth is twice as potent as the racemic stuff. This should be rather obvious given it is half the largely inactive l isomer.
SWIM would rather have the dl meth preferred to the optically pure d meth. SWIM has done both, Meth from the 80s & 90s which was referred to as CRANK back then, and the METH from 2000 until today. To SWIM there is no comparison. THE high from the racemic mixture, to swim IS FAR SUPERIOR than the d meth. If you have experienced both you no where I coming from, & if you haven't you can not know what a difference the inactive levo isomer does for this drug. To SWIM d meth is only HALF OF THE HIGH.
SWIM experienced a dream using d meth for last 12 hours. This Pure d meth HIGH SUCKS COMPARED TO THE RACEIMIC MIXTURE OF METH MADE FROM P2p, fell in love with that CRANK HIGH FIRST TIME DOING IT WHEN I WAS 15 that was in 1983. I did not have money then too get high like I do today and that sucks for that high I have LONGED FOR EVERYDAY OF MY LIFE SINCE, SO LISTEN ŢO WHAT I SAY KIDS DON'T DO DRUGS. THERE ARE SEVERAL DRUGS THAT IF YOU TRY YOU MAY SPEND ALL YOUR LIFE FIGHTING TO GET OFFFFF OF,,,OPOIADS(pain dope +smack/ heroin) GOOD EURPHIC SPEED (crank) & coke or crack and DON'T EVER GO THE IV ROUTE FOR THE NEEDLE IS A ADDICTION IN ITSELF... SWIM TRYS TO WARN PEOPLE OF THESE DANGERS FROM EXPERIENCE. These days SWIM prefers racemic amphetamine/ ADDERAL 150mg a day,swim did not find this wonderful compound to after becoming addicted to opoiates then to coke 1/8 ball every day 16 hour days for SWIM ALWAYS SLEPT 8 hours and all SWIM ever wanted wss that OVER WHELMING EURPHORIC CRANK HIGH THAt MADE YOU FEEL LIKE A GOD THAT YOU COULD DO AND ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. Here is an example of how stimulating the high could be.... SWIM HAD a dream one summer day back in mid 80s swim did about .25g SHOT dl meth went swimming in Ohio river a mile up stream from Cincinnati, on ky side of river something we did every DAY during hot summer days... SWIMS sense of sight was improved by the amazing high of CRANK that at 60`feet off shore of Ky side, in about 26 feet of water, which is the Ohio river pole level near Cinciy... As I'm swiMming 4___5feet below surface of water I looked towards the bottom of the riverbed and DAMN if I wasn't SEEING the riverbed thru 20 feet of water.WTF was going on with swim, how could he see thru 20 feet of murky brown ohio river water. Then SWIM realized that wonderful compound dl meth he introduced to bloodstream by way of IV several hours earlier.
Swim has been dreaming on a d meth high for last 44 hours. At T+00:05 after Iv administration of .30g Do feel it come up thru chest swim gets excited for that was the beginning of A CRANK RUSH, WTF just FIZZLES Out NO pronounced Rush or Euphoria...DISAPPOINTING once again from the start. Decide to turn on a few friends who have also done CRANK from back in the Day to get there opinion of this pure d meth. This is supposedly Mexican meth which is REALLY disappointing because swim thought Meth from Mexico was the old school P2P Dope that Swim Longs for, knew it wasn't soon as I seen and could not Smell it from across the room. Shards or Crystals are NICE LOOKING got 1/8oz was 3 rocks in crystalline lattice. At T+ 2:00 high is not very pleasant, Edgy feeling no body high, some mental alertness... Friends are just starting there experience, they prefer to Smoke their shards...they do feel some slight rush from smoking & after doing .20g each they do feel affects associated with a speed buzz, bUT nothing like they wanted to feel.... They too are Disappointed in its affects. How can this be the same drug as Crank/ Methamphetamine when this is all the active D Isomer that gets you HIGH, & CRANK was a 50/50 mixture.. The High from this D Meth FEELS LIKE about 25% to 30% of the CRANK HIGH SWIM fell in LOVE with back in the Day Swim has bought d meth from outside sources about 6 or 8 times over the past dozen years, and has done 3 or 4 dozen HP/I + pseudo RXNS, with all the same results... DISAPPOINTING COMPARED TO THE HIGH OF THE RACEMIC MIXTURE OF METH...others in swims circle feel the same. SWIM & friends Even prefer the high from racemic AMPHETAMINE compared TO D AMPHETAMINE. At T+5:00 decide to do more, another .30g intravenously... Little spacey for next 30 mins feel little edgy and nauseated. Swim feels HUNGRY and eats something as do friends. Swim feels very few affects that he associates with a SDEED BUZZ, Friends agree... T+10:00 do more .35g IV leave those CATS behind and off to see other friends. As time goes by SWIM feels HIGH more pronounced.New affects felt at T+12:00 SWIM will not Shut up,,mouth going mile a min for nxt 8 hours also feel like I want a piece of Ass. But nothing like you felt after doing that crank that dope made you so horny I would bang my girl for an hour then Jack off for nxt 4 hours. Fast forward 20 hours T+44:00 high feels better, smoother, still quite awake but starting to feel like swim should of tried to sleep considering have to be at WORK in 3 hours. Overall SWIM still feels the high from D meth is about 35% to 40% AT BEST of the HIGH you get from the RACEMIC MIXTURE OF METH..... SWIM FEELS IT ACTUALLY LACKS SEVERAL OF THE EFFECTS ASSOCIATED WITH A GOOD SPEED BUZZ.... HELL SWIM WOULD PREFER THE HIGH OF RACEMIC AMPHETAMINE TO THIS D METH and that is what SWIM is going to do,,, 150mg of adderal right now.... So ROCK ON BOYs & GIRLs. ROCK ON...
difference in content of the left and right of isomers in the product. If this p2p 50% / 50% is normal. If it was of ephedrine tablets. 99% / 1%. Left isomer worse working. This is specifically for medical purposes. Not for drug synthesis. This is a real difference in the use. p2p gives a more pleasant product
I don't know why when you search this all these results refer to p2p meth as stronger or supermeth I'm my opinion the only drug that is getting any better is weed I think this new form meth socks I can do it and go to sleep a hr later no shadow people no hypersexual characteristics I also think the herion socks now to the cartel has ruined drugs real talk
