Quite Concerned

Discussion in 'Opiates' started by headymoechick, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    I really don't know a lot about herion. I've snorted it a few times. I have delivered it to a few people as a favor. I've watched a 300 lb man boot what I thought would kill somebody. And he really did almost die as a result.

    A good friend of mine recently got into herion really bad. I went on a weeks trip with him and his wife to Las Vegas. He spent a lot of time in the bathroom, came out and was sleepy and dopey for hours later, I found blood droplets on the floor and on towels after he had been in there, and the last 2 days of our trip he spent most of his time puking. I had the inclination that he was doing dope. I know his wife doesn't approve of him doing hardly any drug, so he hides it from her. He spilled his guts the last day and I found out how much he was doing.

    I know it's none of my business and I can't do or say anything. But I am concerned. The only experience I have had with herion was with the little $20 bags. Approximately how much is $20 worth of herion? How much does a gram cost? What is a "usual" dose for somebody?

    I'm not totally sure, but I think he may be doing way too much. I don't want to bury my friend. But I figured I would find out how much is too much before getting too worked up. I know even if he is doing too much, it's none of my business anyway, but if he is, I think I may tell his wife. She has a right to know and I know no one wants to see him die.

    If anyone can help answer my questions it would really ease my mind.
     
  2. RxHEAD

    RxHEAD Member

    I have never done herion, only the most important thing you can do for him if he is shooting is get him some clean needles. Or Slip him a note with info for needle exhange if available. If he is shooting smack it will not take long for his wife to figure out on her own. For her and his sake I definatly would suggest the importance of clean needles and the high risk of HIV the virus that causes AIDS from sharing needles. So he could contract HIV through dirty needles and her through sexual intercourse. Follow your instinct. Good luck 2 U.
     
  3. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    thanks. I really don't think she'll figure it out, but who knows. You would think that there's no way that he could hide the marks, the disappearing money, the symptoms and all, but you gotta know this girl. Anyway, he can't be sharing needles with anyone because he is doing this in private, not with anyone. She won't let him hang out with people without her, so he just makes constant trips to the bathroom.

    I wouldn't be too concerned if he hadn't told me he went through 8 grams in 4 days. That sounds like a lot. but I don't really know which is why I was asking.
     
  4. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    From what limited contact I have had with fixers, it scares the hell out of me.

    I know that it is a matter of time, then one day OD will take them, and maybe the medics won't revive them. I met a guy who had been brought back over a dozen times.........
    The one thing that surprises me about the maybe 5 I have met, they are all really smart. Really smart, which I never would have guessed.
     
  5. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    that sucks.

    he has to hide it so he goes in the bathroom. I bet if he OD'd no one would even find him until it was too late.

    I've talked to him and accepted it. Now I'm just waiting for the phone call.

    But tell me, shooting 8 grams in 4 days is a lot right?
     
  6. drbeaker

    drbeaker Member

    Sounds like a lot to me, at least several hundred dollars worth where I'm from. I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10-foot-pole, my uncle died from an overdose of it just last year, but that's what I hear from fellow college students who have tried it. I think you're right, heroin seems to be more attractive to intellectuals for some reason while your average joe would prefer meth, crack, or just insane amounts of alcohol, i honestly have no idea why.
     
  7. Jack_Straw2208

    Jack_Straw2208 Senior Member

    check erowid dude...
     
  8. SoFarAway

    SoFarAway Friendly Fried Guy

    Here's my 2 cents..

    I'm a former opiate abuser, well.. former isn't correct, since I have done some vicodin here and there, I just have way more control over the situation now.

    However, oxycontin/oxycodone... man takes you on a ride for the worst. I've never touched H, probably because I only knew 2 people that ever had it, and I didn't trust them with my money.

    Anyway, I consider myself to be a very smart individual, who makes choices some would say are very poor. However, I believe the reason opiates apeal to me is the close relationship with death and misery that heroin has. It makes it very appealing to me, but I'm a pretty "dark person."

    I could go on for hours about this, but if you really want to have that conversation, message me privately.
     
  9. WayfaringStranger

    WayfaringStranger Corporate Slave #34

    you know when i first started reading your posts headymoechick i was a lil concerned. what youre going through happens alot. my advice is to tottally disassociate with the kids youre rollin with and never go near dope again. you gotta strike out on your own and lose the deadweights. youre rollin with the drainbows now. get out while you can. theres alot of love out in the world, come and be a part of it, and get away from that darkside. im really worried about you now.
     
  10. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

    Hmmmm. An interesting question, maybe deserving of it's own thread.

    I think really intelligent people, many of them anyway, have a lot of psychic pain. It's hard to be a genius, or anything close to it. Opiates can dull that pain, without making you stupid, like alcohol does. You can still think and think well, but the pain is gone, at least for a while. Also, intelligent people are more willing to believe they are "in control" and won't get addicted. Which is total bullshit. It makes no difference in your IQ if you are doing opiates, whether you will get addicted or not. Physical dependence is out of your control, whether one has "self control" or not.
     
  11. McJesus

    McJesus Member

    Or perhaps the smarter ones aren't stupid enough to let it turn into a habit.
     
  12. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

    No, that's silly. Intelligent people are no less likely to become addicted. Addiction is a behavior, but physical dependence and opiate tolerance are PHYSICAL and are independent of "self control."

    Actually, the discussion theory, right or wrong, was that "smarter" people are more likely to use opiates, not the other way around. Did you read the entire thread?
     
  13. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    he'a a smart guy and has seen first hand what it does to people. He is very intelligent, he just made some very stupid choices.

    His girlfriend (the bitch) emailed me and actually showed some human emotion. she's worried about him and thinks he's sick. She also thinks every one is hiding something from her- which they are. I don't feel as though it's my business to rat him out. That's his decision. but I don't know what to tell her for now. I can't lie. It's hard enough not to say anyhting because I don't want him dead! she'll figure it out eventually. I just hope it's not after he OD's.
     
  14. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

    That is a hard place to be in HMC. I don't know what to tell you. You can tell her, and guess what? He won't stop. Or you decide not to tell her, and guess what? He won't stop. He has to be ready to stop, or he will just continue.

    I wish I had an answer for you. Perhaps you can talk to HIM about saying something to her, just in case he ODs, she will know what it was.

    Blessings, I hope your friend can find some peace.
     
  15. StonerBill

    StonerBill Learn

    maggie has it

    whereas wayfaringstranger has nothing, i cant believe how much i hate him from seeing that one post+signature. and waht an ass, calling this dude an automatic threat and dropkick and that HMC needs to 'get out' of this evident circle of friends and go and get 'better' friends. the fact that hes a heroin addict just means that you need to be wary of it, in terms of the uncontrolable spending of money that heavy hard drug users use, but it doesnt mean that they are bad people. Id hang out with anyone, but i woulndt trust my money with anyone, or trust anything with some people, but its completely different about socialising. socialising is about different people's minds interacting and relating. this dude is obviously very happy keeping his habit a personal thing. you absolute right wing wanker. go get a job preaching hillsong

    but yeh maggie shows the way in this one

    i fear needles, and wish to keep it that way. when i tell people this is my reason to avoid donating blood, they seldom believe me.

    though i wont say ill never try it

    the point about smarter people feeling less prone to behavioral problems is very interesting and valid as well
     
  16. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    you're totally right. no matter what I do he's going to do it anyway. That shouldn't make me feel better but it does.

    I have spoken with him about telling her and it's out of the question.

    It feels good to hear I can't save him either way. I don't know why. Maybe it takes some of the pressure off.

    Anyway, it's just confusing and hard to watch. I remember a few years ago I didn't even think I'd ever KNOW anyone that shot up. Now it's all around me. I laugh about how inncocent and dumb I was.
     
  17. lemon714

    lemon714 Member

    junk is bad ju-ju. i have a pretty good knowledge of everything that can (and will) come from heroin use. however... there is NOTHING anyone can do to "SAVE" a junkie. there is a little poem....
    I walk down the street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
    I fall in.
    I am lost .... I am hopeless.
    It isn't my fault.
    It takes forever to find a way out.



    I walk down the same street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
    I pretend I don't see it.
    I fall in again.
    I can't believe I am in the same place.
    But, it isn't my fault.
    It still takes a long time to get out.



    I walk down the same street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
    I still fall in .... it's a habit.
    My eyes are open,
    I know where I am.
    It is my fault.
    I get out immediately.



    I walk down the same street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
    I walk around it.



    I walk down another street.

    it's a pain in the ass to kick dope. your friend has to do it on his own. just be supportive. don't profess to understand what he is going through. he knows it's a sick habit...
     
  18. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    I definately don't understand
     
  19. lemon714

    lemon714 Member

    recovery is a process, when you first become an addict (first verse) it totally overwhelms you. if you get away from it, you think "this time i can control it...." (second verse) but will end up in the same place. If you manage to escape again, you might think that this is just the way it will go from now on (third verse), in and out of the hole. you stiull havent actually done anything to fix the problem. in the fourth verse, you know there is a problem, and avoid the hole, but the problem is still there. the addict has to decide on his/her own to take a different path (last verse).
     
  20. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    I understand that

    I meant I'll never tell him I understand what he's going through because I don't

    I really don't know what it's like to be addicted to anything.
     

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