Ok I just want to post something that would fit more in the conspiracy department rather then the politics one. This question is about the passengers on the planes that were involved with 9/11. You said Pressed Rat that you can't call someone from a cell phone at 30,000 feet but the planes weren't consistently at 30,000 feet. The planes did descend and eventually hit the twin towers of course. Can't you still send out a text message though. Because with all of the holes from the Bush administrations story on what happened on 9/11, the phone calls or text messages were always one thing that was a certain fact. Or at least we were told and told again that the family members were either talking or texting back and forth. I know on the loose change video the kid narrating said there was a possibility that the original planes were derouted and sent to cleveland and the passengers on those planes were told there were hijacked planes and then sent into a faa air base. I was a bit skeptical about that part of the video. Can you give me an answer to this question I have. Because if you cannot answer this question or anyone for that matter then you can pretty much throw out most of the 9/11 conspiracy theories.
The phone call thing is bullshit. There were never any calls made. You can't make calls from that high. Yes, they descended, but that doesn't take long. The calls were not supposed to have happened less than five minutes before impact as far as I know.
The times the calls were made are correlated with the times on the radar, which showed the altitude of the plane and where it was located at the time. No text messages were transmitted back and forth between anyone in the cabin. As far as the thing about the plane landing in Cleveland, this was reported in several mainstream newspapers that day, then we never heard about it again. So it's possible that the plane might have landed in Cleveland with the report of a bomb on board. This would explain what happened to the plane and the passengers. At the same time, it's in conflict with the fact that debris was spread over 8 miles in PA. The odd thing is that Flight 93 turned around over Cleveland, so who knows if the plane didn't land in Cleveland and was replaced on radar by some kind of drone aircraft which was crashed or shot down instead of Flight 93. Like I said before, we might never know everything as it happened exactly. All we can do is come to the conclusion that there are so many holes in the official story that there is no question the attacks were carried out by the government.
But you do realize that if you can't find an answer or an explanation to that question you were speaking of, people will immediately throw away any of the other evidence that claims the U.S. government had anything to do with 9/11. I do believe that the government most definitely had a part to play in 9/11 but if you are trying to make a case about it chances are no one will really believe what you or anyone else has to say.
i suggest anybody who is into the truth about 911 should check out loosechange 2nd edition, its a great movie and there is a whole part about the cell phone calls in it. www.loosechange911.com
I'm not interested in being believed. If a person can look at the mass of evidence and not even be slightly suspicious, they're far stupider than I could have imagined. I'm only interested in discussing these matters with intelligent people who get it. Not mouth breathers who can look at all the compiled evidence and ignore it because it came from a "conspiracy nut". EDIT: This wasn't directed at you, zk. In case it comes across that way.
well i think it's possible to question anything and everything, but as for 9/11, the 'handwriting' is all over it that officials in the u.s. government, including at the VERY 'highest' levels, at least had a hand in fascilitating and making it possible. and MAY, in fact, have engineered the entire scheme, as a means of popularizing and justifying its subsiquent attacking of the middle east, to control world petrolium supplies and thus insure its dictatorial possition in world policy making. we do know that the al quieda, like the tallibon, received much of its origeonal funding and support, funneld through various channels, many years ago, decades before anyone ever heard of either, at the direction of a then somewhat younger donald rumsfield, and similar individuals, acting from their possitions of authority within americas clandestine 'security' apparatus. we do know there is a document called project northwoods or something like that, detailing a scenario remarkably like the events that on 9-11 appear to have taken place. we do know that poeple are being tortured, held incommunicado, and 'extrodinarily rendered', and that we the public are not being honestly informed as to what 'intelligence' if any, is supposedly being gained by doing so. i really don't think bickering over the details, what can or can't be proven, is the important thing. i think that's a smoke screen to prevent a majority of people from seeing and realize the big ugly picture that is staring them in the face. and the face it's wearing isn't middle eastern. unless by middle eastern in the sense of the middle of the u.s.'s eastern seabord. =^^= .../\...
I know what you were saying. What I was trying to say is that if you were going to tell the average joe and even give him all the other evidence he would ask you then, why did families get the phone calls and why are kids without fathers and mothers, and thats where they would instantly not believe any other evidence. But of course the average joe is in their own reality on how the world is being run as well.
They did, in fact, engineer it the attack. It was to popularize their invasion, and their fascist policies that are being implemented every day. The only thing is, it's not about making America powerful. In the end, America will not be an important power anymore. They are globalists. They wish to see the entire world united in a fascist state beneath them. America is but a means to an end.
Agreed. The war in Iraq is hell for American economy, but private citizens are making away with the Joes' money.
Bump to de bump. I was thinking of this issue a while ago. I think that the alleged phone calls were programmed into the minds of the families using monarch based mind control techniques. I mean, the government goes through all the trouble to program and place all these sleeper agents, and here is the perfect opportunity to put them to use, to provide "unfalsifiable" evidence that a plane attacked the twin towers. I personally believe that the twin towers were not destroyed by planes at all, but by exotic HAARP-based exotic directed energy weaponry. And the "phone calls" would provide the perfect validation to the American public that it was in fact a plane that crashed.
I got a question. Do any of you know for sure that there were any citizens on these planes for sure? I mean come on i have never seen any of their relatives anywhere.
