Push for war with Iran

It worrys me that here towards the end of Bush's administration we are now moving another carrier into place and making more noise about it.

Are we going to let this happen?

Is our attention going to be on our personal issues like the price of fuel and food, while this administration get's away with creating a new war front?

That won't lower our costs, but it will increase the profits for those private war mongering companies that have profitted from this current war on terror. Will our congress suck it up and put the brakes on? I don't have much faith that they will do anything but what the lobbyists tell or pay them to do. And right now Haliburton and Carlyle, etc. have more power than we do.

 

No.. There can be no war against Iran unless iran attacks first.
This is basic geopolitical/military sense

The LAST thing the US wants is war with iran...
It would require nbc usage to win. And would be seen as the LAST STAND of islam.

Already the continuing occupation of iraq has set islam on it's heals...
It is only now replying.
Why is the US in iraq? Because the western god is the only god.
And it will win. [ this is a 1500 year war.. the end is in no doubt.
technology will prevail..and damn the slaughtered children]
But not yet.. another 20/40 years is needed.
Western technology will become so powerfull the enemy will fall as wheat before the scythe.

by 2100 the mideast will be a security zone patrolled by the titans called
US [we own]
Europa [we support]
China [we must keep a hand in]

 

actually we can attack Iran without being fired on first ... remember bush's "strike first" —launching pre-emptive attacks on countries or terrorist organizations suspected of developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or countries we "think" might attack us ?

 

that only counts when we have a standing army. as it is we are over-committed, and do not have the troops neccessary to sustain an invasion/occupation. That leaves three options: 1) Start a draft, 2) enlist international support or 3) launch punctuated air strikes designed to take out their nuclear program or government facilities.

We can rule out one on the basis that even the iraq war is unpopular at home, and a war with iran is even more unpopular. to start a draft at this point would be the death nail in the republican parties coffin. 2 is also unlikely, as iran is fairly intergrated into the world economy, and russia likes to use iran to increase instability in the middle east and prop up the value of russia's oil exports. 3 seems the most likely, but the consequences of much higher gas prices (there will be riots if gas goes up a dollar overnight) increased international isolation, the price tag, the inevitable civillian casualties, and the propoganda fodder handed to the (percieved) enemy far outweight the benefit of retarding a nuclear program.

 

Bush or John McCain, or whoever will inherit the title of "The Next Bush" will send these imbecile clowns to fight more pointless, endless wars ...

 

Punctuated air strikes, wasn't Iraq supposed to be just as clean and quick. Nuclear program....they are trying to institute a clean energy supply so they can sell their petroleum to China and the US, why should we bomb that, and what would the environmental affects be if that was released to further affect Gore's polar caps?

One has to ask, why we moved that carrier into place, and for what cost to the taypayers?

 

why we moved that carrier into place,


The USS Lincoln is replacing the USS Truman.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004383088_apwaaircraftcarrierlincoln.html

160-200 million USD a year, per carrier, support groups vary .

 

Is the Truman returning home? That's not what I find when I click on your link.

 

The Israelis could be paid or enticed to drop the bombs.

 

Nobody claimed the USS Truman was heading home, where did you hear that?

I believe the Truman is in the Mediterranean Sea.

Here's something to think about, the USS Truman is 100 miles off the coast of Israel, and has a Jewish Commander
Capt. Herm Shelansky.


USS Truman arrived in Rhodes,Greece 05/09/08
http://www.eucom.mil/english/FullStory.asp?art=1697

 

Um i quearied the usdd they said 400 million per nimitz class carrier per year.
But that depends on training cycles of GAG"S per CVGN.
I'd say the nimitz machines are all on yellow training alert.
All other carriers are piffle.
And much as it pains me .. May he G W Bush sink like the Vassa to bottom of norfolk sound. What a FUK he is. How dare he try to stand next to washington, stenis or even reagan.

Occam

 

good

why don't you get training and go and fight the enemy?

 

wtf???

Already trained, 6 years U.S. Air Force.
Been there, done that.
Who's the enemy?

why dont you? Seems HAMAS would have a place for you.

guy and his 1 liner, sad that is all you can come up with after all these years..........

 

right then

as you seem perfectly aquainted with the situation why aren't you in iraq and afghanistan right now? i'm sure the military are begging for people to volunteer for the eastern front? you are going to do this aren't you? oh well maybe not but if you do go there perhaps you will find some relief from having to listen to all of these notions of peace and negotiation that you are confusing yourself by coming to these forums - a hippy forum.

who's the enemy? well me apparently because i have the irksome ability to ask irritating questions that so far you have been very unwilling to answer in a practical sense - that is "yes i'm going to fight for my puported beliefs" or "no i won't fight for my beliefs but i'm happy for someone else to do it- for some strange reason".

i can only hope you don't brand everyone else who dares to ask you questions of a troubling nature as a hamas supporter or activist.

my sad one liner always seems to work on you - i wonder why?

you are only confusing yourself here, you may find better responses to your weltanschauung elsewhere?

 

We don't want Hamas, we didn't want the PLO, but through democratic elections they were elected. Who exactly do we want elected? Hesbollah, provides for the refugees when the world powers don't even seem interested in their plight. Why is it we wonder why the poor seem to turn to them. We are too busy promising money to existing world powers and lobbysist.

Maybe Chalabi, he's back in high esteem.

 

our lack of understanding is one cause of our problems in the middle east and our "strategic interest" line the other. We aren't interested in the people nor their plight, we (USA) are only interested in what WE can get out of it. it isn't just this administration but all before it.

 

Our lack of understanding and oversight is the main problem. It allows others to control world events, when we profess ignorace..they have no responsiblity.

 

Why arent you ?

Relief ? SHOW ME these notions of peace and negotiations,i have yet to see ANY.

WE'RE still waiting to see if you have the ability to ANSWER a question, 3 years you havent even came close yet.

Just what are my beliefs ? , you have no clue.
Who's fighting for your beliefs? Sure the fuck isnt you, all you know is how to sit an point fingers, and thinking all along your actually doing something, pathetic to say the least.

Like when i answered a question about the whereabouts of a USA carriers for Gardener, you jump in an brand me "warmonger" is that what you mean?

LMAO, YOUR 1 liner has failed you every time...

You'll need to back up a claim before it has merit, not vice versa, moron.

I'm sure YOU hear that alot, everywhere you go........

fyi, AUSTRALIA has Iraqi BLOOD on their hands too......
scrub all you want , they wont come clean.

Seems You've been paid off to kill too......

Your claim that the USA is in IRAQ for the oil kinda falls short here ,ey mate?

Atleast we're fighting for the main course, an not the crumbs that fall on the floor.

 

you have a lot of anger

now i don't mean this disrespectfully

no one should be "fighting" for their beliefs unless they are able to rationally assess the situation, do you think iraq is a fight that has any rational basis? do you think the way it is being fought is rational?

i don't brand anyone a warmonger. often i find these term brings out these people who feel that they are.

australia is a satellite of america, it buys american equipment and its army supports american wars in an auxillary role. as an individual i more useful for me to get people to ask some questions of themselves and most importantly to exercise their democratic rights primarily voting.

once people start thinking and voting i suspect many problems of the world will reduce considerably.

ok heres a task for you

for the next two weeks do not listen to the radio or tv, go on the internet by all means but do not seek out the news or anything remotely political. you have been addicted to an opinion rather than thinking for yourself. now before you get angry about this you should ask yourself why it is impossible for you to stop watching political opinion, or reading about it. stay away from religion as well. do not talk about politics. apply your mind to other things and try to further develop your skills in critical thinking.

find something to read about stay away from the tv and newspapers, just for two weeks

try it

 

YES YOU HAVE , MANT TIMES.

Thats something YOU NEED to practice, not me.
Actually, you need to develop BASIC THINKING SKILLS, that would help alot.


How about for the next 2 weeks you work on , answering a simple question? or is that too critical for you ?