psychological effects

its strange now that like all of my friends and i have been taking acid. and each one of us has changed so much. one of them that was really out-goin just looks spaced out, and somone said hes just really quiet now. and last night we all took E's and smoked weed and stuff, but everyone was just completly lost, it wasnt how it used to be. a converstation with anyone was just so strange. altho i think acid is good. at the same time i can still see things from the other perspective which is, 'hey, maybe this shit is fucking us up, makng us crazy". not only the converstation but the expessions on there faces, like they are crazy and lost. it scares me alot. and at the same time, i felt pretty insane aswell. it was tonns of fun, but if acid can turn a outgoin personality into an really quite personallity, prob cause of the depth of thought you get after taking acid. how can you be so outgoin when your soo deep and lost in thought. i dont know.

 

I think part of the point of psychedelics is clarity, not to be crazy or lost or spaced out. Don't let your mind wander into such places and stay on the path/direction that you want it to go.

 

What works for me in times of when you think the drugs have made you crazy. Just go out with your friends and drink. No drugs. Just drink. Brings you back down from all those deep thoughts, as they can be unwelcome at times.

 

Are you talking long term or during the high?

 

Thinking he means long term.

 

if you are unable to find some sort of positive outlook and loose all the fear you most definitely will find out why many people think that LSD will fuck you up. i have read many of your posts and there is an obvious trend - you are unsure and afraid. maybe you need to find someone with more experience to help guide you. i was lucky that the guy i bought my acid off was kind enough to spend lots of time sharing his stories and outlook with me. every time he would come over to my house we would have a great conversation that lasted at least an hour every time. his positive outlook really helped me out while most of my other friends were - like you describe - getting all fucked up. i know you have read some of my posts and i am aware that you dont respect who i am enough to have my words effect you in a good way. instead of seeing someone who is conscious and clear headed you see someone that is so different than everyone else. you think that because i have done so much acid that i am 'strange'.

acid most definitely changes you into someone totally different then most of the people in society. this is not a bad thing. it will turn you into a person who thinks outside the box. why would you want to be like everyone else anyways - the world is full of stupid people who spend their entire lives wasting away destroying our planet in the process. in the sixties when many people were using LSD and other psychedelic drugs it was very clear the effect it was having on people. our society has changed greatly (in a good way) because of the words and actions of many trippers. (john lennon! among many others)

i went through a very scary period much like you describe. what got me through it was my optimistic approach - i was doing acid for many reasons - but first and foremost was to become a better more enlightened person, and despite what most of those around me believed i was going to become a better person thanx to LSD - NOT the other way around.

this is all your choice. if you choose to agree with all the government fueled propaganda and be afraid of what LSD is doing to you then you will turn out just as fucked up as they want you to be. if you are to continue using the drug knowing full well that you will benefit from it then you will be just fine. the government and the big corporations do not want you to find the beauty in LSD as they know that if everyone did that that they would be out of business.

if you do enough LSD you will see so much about society that bugs you. so much in fact that you will either want to move out to the wilderness and live away from it all or you will find some way of changing the way things are by making yourself heard.

i am a musician so LSD works well with me as it gives me something to write about. i have a reason to write music as there is so much about the world that i would like to change.

if you dont have any way of making a difference you will probably have a difficult time with LSD. find a creative outlet or some organization that makes a difference and makes you feel good about being a part of. make your life worth living. you are not a drone anymore - now you have a choice - either you can be one of those fucked up people who accomplishes nothing maybe even wind up in the nut house - or you can make something of yourself and help make life easier for us all.

there are more people who will disagree with me than agree with me and that will probably make it harder for you to see a positive light. thats reality for ya - the right way is normally NOT the easy way.

i would strongly recommend you read "BE HERE NOW" by Ram Dass - you can order it at any book store and it is well worth the time and money spent. PLEASE read it and do your best to listen to people like me rather than anyone who tries to fill you head with all the reasons to be afraid of this wonderful drug. this forum is full of people who are too ignorant to be giving you advise - why are you listening to them?

you need to find a guru or mentor or whatever you want to call someone with more experience then you who can guide you in a positive direction. i wish i could be of some help to you. i realize that most people will consider me an arrogant fool for suggesting that i would make a good mentor for someone like you and i dont care what they say. i have walked a similar path and i am healthy and in good spirits - although you may not agree with all that i have to say - you would be a fool not to consider that i could be of some help to you.

in addition to reading "be here now"... you should find some good music to listen to - find music created by people who use or have used LSD... THE BEATLES, pink floyd, grateful dead, moe, ratdog, TOOL, ... the list goes on - do some research and find some people who have become very successful in life who have also used LSD.(even some of them will have negative things to say about the drug – you are going to have to decide for yourself) amongst all the propaganda there are many people worth while listening to. you are going to have to look for them. if it makes you feel good to hear what they are saying then you can be sure that what they are telling you is good for you. if what they say makes you feel afraid then you have either misunderstood them or they are not someone you should be listening to.




the only thing we have to fear is - fear itself. even in death there is nothing to fear.

 

i respect everything you said in that post. but the acid trip is so diverse in everyone that your possible positive experiences on acid have made you think that way. what say some one else comes on here, and is totaly fucked up scared everyday of his life. i think im being realistic, i still have 'a foot on the ground'. there sure can be alot of bad about lsd. i think youve lost your footing.
i do love lsd. it is amazing.

that reminds me, last night me n my friends went and bought 37 E's, and had 12 left over by this morning. last night was insane. the pills were really good to. i took 5.5 over the night. and had some cones towards the end. then somemore when we took the 5th. and it was a very strange trip when i took that 5.5 pill. i say trip, cause it had this fairy tale thing to everything. i was looking at the couch, and it turned pink and looked soo cartoony and fururistic, and when i saw it change colour, i had this revelation that this is the chair that iv spent like millions of years with somhow, whether from a past life or somthing. but i dont even beleive in past lifes so it was weird. felt like this had been the chair in my deepest depths of my mind, that i dreamt about all the time. and it was thieir infront of me, looking so damn fun.
i was gettin kinda paranoid after the 5.5 when i started getting a headache, hot n cold running thro my arms feeling, and then leg cramps. like constant leg cramps, it goes away and bam it starts again over n over.

 

Im feeling this post 100%.

Good post.

 

you keep missing the point that i am trying to make.

i do have positive experiences now. many years ago i was not experiencing much different then what you describe. in other words, you remind me a bit of myself when i was younger. when i was not too sure of LSD and what it was doing, or going to do to me i went through many paranoid, anxious or stressful times. i actually suffered from excruciatingly painful headaches for a little over a year. they were not caused by the acid - they were caused by stress. the stress was because of the acid showing me too much in a short period of time (tripping on lots of acid every weekend sometimes all week). you can probably imagine all the fucked up shit i was thinking about what i must have done to my brain with the acid!!! i realized more then i was ready to deal with. i am happy to say that my brain is doing just fine – in fact it is much more awake and alert then it was before - strange! it was not until my belief changed that i was able to fully appreciate LSD and therefore enjoy my experience. i let go of all the fear or worry about LSD fucking me up and surprise - no more negative experience tripping or sober.

you argue that other people experience bad trips so that makes them possible. well of course it does. my point is that these people are only having negative experiences because of a fear or lack of belief or respect. people using it for the wrong reasons or people confused as to who to believe (should i believe that acid might drive me crazy or should i believe that it wont.)... trust me if you believe that it might drive you crazy it will sure as HELL try...

whatever you are experiencing, whether it be bad or good - it is trying to tell you something about yourself... if you feel something negative then there is obviously something you need to change or improve.

i guess what i am trying to say is i know because i have BEEN THERE DONE THAT - i know what i am talking about through experience. i am not just talking out my ass with some assumption.

its not the acid - it is YOU


whatever you are experiencing may be enhanced but it most definitely is you and not the acid. and when i say you i mean the you that can control what is happening through your will - not some uncontrollable defect.

 

yeah you make alot of good points.

but i feel like i will put a limit on the amount of tabs i take in my life, because whilst i love the psychological side of things, im not sure how real those things are, and how although in the users brain it all seems real, but you can never tell how much yourself you are changing, expecially when you and your friends are all changing at once by taking these tabs. and then you meet some other people, and there just like, 'this guys fucking weird' or drug fucked or somthing.
and whilst i love the drug and all, i still feel like i have a foot on the ground, and can see that lsd does and can cause alot of psycological problems that can be quite disturbing in this life, and that yes they can last a very very long time.
ill try and explain it better in a few days, i still feel like i cant even think from the weekend. to many e's.was 2 fri night. 5.5 saturday night. and yes i dont like e's. first time iv done e's in like 8 months. and i think will prob just about be the last.

and in a way, i can feel like since these e's i took. it has changed my thoughts even more, prob E tarded like in a sense, that i feel i wouldnt be making the comments i have been since taking them.

 

acid will flip you sideways, hang you up side down and shake you by your shoes until everything you thought you knew about the world slides out of your pockets, forcing you to pick them up and put the pieces back together backwards...if that made any sense.

My advice to you, comming from someone with experience. Space your trips out. THere is nothing wrong with LSD, your not going crazy. Its not a neurotoxin so you dont have to worry about that side of the equation. But like 3xi said, LSD causes unbelievable insight and rips you out of the trench you dig whilst living in the 3 dimensional plane we call reality. While this all sounds fine and good, too much in a short period isn't...at least it wasnt for me.

LSD fits about 6 month of perspective on the human experience and condenses it into a 12 hour experience...intense...I've learned things from LSD that most people in their 50's are just starting to figure out and its terrifying. I have death anxiety, i wake up everyday and constantly think about the mysteries of death and senile dementia and how futile life is anyway because we all eat dirt in the long run. It sucks, i should be enjoying my life, im 19 i should be out getting laid having the time of my life. The world should be at my fingertips yet it feels as though it is slowly slipping out of my grasp, when i never had a firm hold on it to begin with.

While LSD has made me a much better person, its a one way street. I can never go through life and just enjoy anything because of how wrong everything is, my mind won't let me block any of that out anymore.

The point im getting to, dont trip more then once or twice a month. I was doing it like every 3 to 4 days going on crazy runs, eating mad hits constantly doubling the dose cause of tolerance. I wish i had kept it on lock but like all drugs i was a fucking idiot and now i pay the price everyday with death anxiety, horrible horrible HORRIBLE HPPD, flashbacks and the works...so anyone who says LSD cant fuck you up, give em my SN and ill chat with them. I mean, i suppose it all depends on what your definition of fucked up is, but i dont like living in a constant state of tripped out skitzophrenia. If i could go back and trade in many of my mind blowing, awesome, sun soaked lsd experiences for the natural happiness i used to feel i would in a second.

 

well said man. lsd isnt all fun and games, so to speak.

iv got friends droppin left and right, going crazy. ones on anti-psychotics, ones changed his whole personality, is moving away, doesnt even drink now, another has been put on disability because his psychiatrist recomended it, another one is gone from strongly out-going to much more deep quite and serious.

not to mention others who've quite there jobs, quit there aprentiships.
all the while i talk to these guys all the time. and we talk about whether we think we've changed from acid. and altho they admit to feeling a bit differnt the individual cant really telll how much they have changed themselves. not that i would say "your more quiet", i wouldnt say that. just friends making observations about the mental health of other friends rather. i was never one to mention it, but things are often mentiond to me.

im tryin to put things in perspective in my own mind, without being biased by my own mind which loves lsd.

 

You took too much man, you took too much, too much!!
Nah, you've just got to be careful. I've scared myself with trippy drugs before (surprisingly NEVER acid though, and I'm anything but a stranger to the drug). It's not fun and shows that moderation really i the key.
Independency and confidence in character has a lot to do with 'getting back on track' as far as my experience goes. Acid can break you down, and it's left to you to pick up the pieces. It's up to you to make something of what you've got (the lysergic flowing the mind). An example is a painted picture. You can have all the equipment ready; but it's not until you START painting that the ideas flow and the design is taken further before the picture is finally created.

 

i didnt take you for the type of person to take LSD just to get high and trip out for fun.


anyone who does not learn to take LSD seriously and respect it should most definitely consider that maybe enough is enough and stop using it before you go too far (or past the point of no return) or are you too late!!!???

if you have done a lot of acid and dont consider it to be a key to something very very REAL - then you have to live the rest of your life knowing how much you fucked your little brain up!

too bad for you... i know it isn’t cool enough to bring a spiritual element into getting high with your friends - i hope it is worth fucking up your psyche.

ah, whatever,,, you cant save them all... maybe you will snap out of it when you are older - i sure hope so, for your sake (and your families)...

please read that book i told you about - i truly believe it would be a powerfully positive turning point in your life.

sorry to come at you so strong - i hope you understand i do because i care. but i will leave it at that...

well maybe just this one metaphor

when i get in my car to drive to work i dont worry that i might die in a car accident. i just get in my car and drive!

 

LSD is quite recreational

All my friends are acid heads and none of them think it spiritual at all like i do. Its often mixed with mdma in my circle of friends. When ever i dose up at a show or a festival i dont really get the same sense of mystical enlightenment that i do when i take it by myself. Its always just a great time every time with no crazy themes or revelations on our degenerating world or my personal issues...just love, music, drugs and good times. Just because LSD is ghandi soaked paper for you doesnt mean that its like that for everyone or that it should only be used as such.

 

wow - well said!!!

until i get to the last paragraph. i feel for ya and trust me IT WILL GET BETTER... stay positive and if 'what you call' HPPD (i would call it something else but i understand what you are referring to) ... if the 'HPPD' doesnt go away then you will learn to work with it in a way that might just convince you that what you have is actually a gift and not a curse.

i have been there myself. and this is me 8 years later saying - "DONT WORRY GUYS YOU WILL BE FINE, actually better then fine you will be doing great as long as you can learn to work with your energies in positive ways.

i still take life a little to serious at times but all in all if i could go back and do it all over again I WOULD!



be patient - give it at least 2-3 years - you must remain positive, dont let yourself slip 'too much' ;-)

 

love is spirituality

as long as you have love you will be alright


and i can still be recreational, enjoy myself or have fun with something that i take as seriously as lsd.

 

There are really some great posts in these, like really great. I have some to add but I don't really have time right now. I will say briefly that I don't understand the denial of HPPD. When your vision is altered after tripping a lot, as mine has been in the past (albeit mildly and briefly) and as is the case for many others at this very moment, I don't see how you try to pass that off as anything other than HPPD. I really don't see how you can spin fucked up vision into something positive, but that's just my opinion.

 

thanks man i appreciate that. I try not to let it get to me, but sometimes while im lying in bed trying to sleep and the static in my head makes it feel like someone is shining a flashlight in front of my closed eyelids it gets to me. I havent taken acid in like a month, and as much as i know i should lay off for a while...i really REALLY wanna trip again lol.

You said you've been there and done that, and i need some advice from someone who has because whenever i tell my chaps all of this they look at me like I have 6 eyes. How long should I space my trips out to stop myself from feeling anymore twacked, 1 month, 2 months? I still love LSD so so much, but its something i need to treat with respect and not hedonism and gluttony.

 

LSD fucked me up totally.The first and only time I've tried it was two months ago and I took three blotters of strong acid at once. it was ok for like first hour. I really enjoyed time spent with my friends, the atmosphere, the music sounded different, but when the trip hit me totally, not only I was losing my mind...The world around me collapsed. In my frightening case there was no mystical revelation, although it was different from everything I've ever experienced. For some reason I became totally paranoid. I could see neurons in my head connecting with another neuron makin this false reality. I'm kinda interested in philosophy and psychology so I couldn't let go and relax, I had to think about what was going on. The words coming from everybodys mouth including mine were just nonsense created by the brain. I though about brain a lot..And then...I freaked out. Nothing is real...Nothing exsists...We are all lost. The words we are producing are just neurons, brain is in a chaos. So it seemed to me..But that didn't matter. I just had this image of brain being chaotic and had this irresistible urge to describe everything but as I did, it didn't make any sense. Cause if the brain is false, then everything is. There's no point of living, as there's no point of non living.. Like we are all robots that are driven by the cpu (brain) and there is no escape. I saw myself as being dead for a long time and only thing that kept me alive were my thoughts and feelings (wich are product of our brain and they don't exsist in nature).Closed eye visuals were amazing, but that didn't matter to me. Pixels on the walls and everywhere around, the shadows playin on the floors were too scary for me...I saw frightening, awry faces that were changing their appereance. Faces covered with blood...Mutants of rabbit and men..The scariest thing I've ever seen. And I told myself - If everything is real then those scary faces also are..And they are here..Then I just couldn't move on. I thought everyone was laughing at me, pointing their fingers, i couldn't track my thoughts. I thought I was dying, that I was a mistake..A huge mother nature's mistake. I saw myself screaming and crying. Then, the colors, my wardrobe melting. Some of the people that didn't take a trip were calming me down when they saw how scared i was but in a way: Chill out, man...Why don't you realx?..So it made me even more unsecure about how I was feeling. I was going mad. It was a fact.. I was empty like never before and so so so confused. I can't describe that feeling cause it is so horryfing that It just makes me want forget about it. Maybe my trip had some elements of revelation, but if it did, it was a scary and dark acknowledgment...I am still recovering from my trip..I get elements of it when walking down the street or talking with my folks. Few days ago my friends and I smoked some pot and some thoughts I had on trip were there..I couldn't talk to anyone. I couldn't talk normally..I was changing my roles all the time and it was the exact copy of my trip. There is definetlly something wrong with me...Sometimes when I wake up the world doesn't make any sense but I'm trying to find it. I try to enjoy company of others, I'm trying not to think about people and myself in such a nihilistic way but from time to time dark thoughts just come out of nowhere. And one thing is true...I need to change myself, become stronger, find any sense in life even if it's just an illusion ..Cause nothing and noone reacts to acid the same way . I realized that my brain functions differently. Maybe I destroyed it using all kinds of drugs, but acid is not for me..Not yet. I'll try to change it's effect someday. Cause, we controll the trip. What is going on in our imagination is creation of ourselves..Well, that was my experience. I know it sucks, but I can't help it. I just had to tell my story to someone cause it bothers me every day..