Psilocybin mushrooms that are not cubensis.

So I've been eating shrooms for about the last years or so, and everytime I came across them they were always some form of cubes and generally looked the same with there golden caps. Until recently I met a new friend who has a pretty good knowlege on picking wild mushrooms here in northern california (bay area), like Psilocybe cyanofriscosa for example which grow along San Fransisco coastlines.

He recently gave me some spore prints of psilocybe Tampansis, which he is growing, I ate a half eigth about a week ago and it could easly compare to quarter oz trips of the cubensis i've had. Seroisly I witnessed 8 grown adults trip of an eigth of these mushrooms. I wouldnt believe it unless i saw it with my own eyes either lol.

I posted this thread because I would like to hear your two cents on different psilocybin containg mushrooms, besisdes cubensis. And for the hell of it what is your favorite cube strain? Personally mine is a tie between Golden Teachers & Penis Envy.

 

8 years or so***

 

the strains don't make as big a difference as people try to make out, the genetics you personally isolate and conditions play a bigger role.

GTs are probably a little more tolerant than most for conditions though.

Some of the non cubes are genuinely stronger and with a wider range alkaloids. You can grow great mushrooms but nature does it best generally.

 

I disagree...... I find that mushroom grown at home are much stronger then what I have picked in the field usually do them having more nutrients and a better growing environment. Mother Nature is a cruel mistress but I treat my mushrooms like kings.

I do find that mushrooms that grow in natural are much denser though.


As for not cubensis mushrooms Ps. cyanescens and Ps. azurescens (wood loving species) are by far my favorite but a close second are Copelandia cyanescens. I go to asia every year for the rainy season and pick several pounds of wild Copes on my property ( I have 3 water buffalo and 6 cows that keep my field well enriched) and the properties around my home.

As for favorite cube strain I like PESH and Texans. I am trying wollengong right now and am finding it to be very rhizomorphic and very aggressive so it may become a favorite soon

 

Those must have been the only two strains you've tried, then. GT are about the lowest-potency commercial strain you can get. I've only heard consistently worse reports from Treasure Coast. Noobs who have only tried GT, B+ and Ecuador don't count. Ask a vet.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Penis Envy Uncut, Penis Envy 6 and PF Albino are the proof. It's ALL about genetics.

Non-Cubensis Psilocybes don't have a wider range of alkaloids, either. It's all psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin. Show me proof otherwise.

Nature grows more mushrooms, not higher quality. The most common active is Panaeolus Subbalteatus.

Don't speak when you don't know. You just look like a jackass.

 

Always the highest post counts with a bit of knowledge have something to prove. Always young too. What shrooms forums do you post on? I'm sure you'll know me under a different name.

busy in the lab, but try looking up norbaeocystin or phenylethylamine just from the top of my head, I haven't time to explain or dig out papers, hit pubmed and google, or better still order the papers from a local library, and perhaps join an academic community rather than your magic mushroom forums to find the truth. There's about 30 alkaloids we suspect are psychoactive or break down to form likely biphasic or triphasic psychoactive effect, maybe as many as 120, it's fairly immature in study but the briefest search of something like pubmed will show you other active alkaloids, loads of them.

Most of the "strains" you've mentioned there have no genetic difference, sales games played by spore sellers. I'm interested in what you think is genetically different between mushroom "strains" - have you a background in biology or chemistry? It is possible to get certain mycs to splice but it's no simple process and takes a huge amount of patience. Almost all of the huge lists of spores of retailer's sites are the same thing or simple isolations or breakdown products, not a "strain" at all. The forums you're taking your information from are fronts for spore sellers - amazing more people who claim to understand mycology don't see this.

We already know of over 230 types of active mushroom not including the muscarins, what study has been done shows that substrate nutrient level and climatic conditions have a greater effect on potency and ratio of active compounds. Some are genuinely stronger for sure, with very large alkaloid counts regardless of condition, although more common is huge variation between flush counts - there's a few good studies on this, with some showing the first flush with near zero levels, some showing the first as strongest, depends on the shroom it seems, not enough studies to form any sort of meta data yet.

We also don't know much about how these affect the brain. We don't know if ratios are important, or if everything simply breaks down to a single active receptor bond and pure volume is all that matters. We can't test easily and reports with all of the 5HT antagonists are hugely subjective, in forum muppet language "setting" etc which makes it more difficult again. Diet around the trip is known to have effects for some reasons we understand and some we don't. We don't know why things like basic circadian rhythms interact but they do - we don't know why male and females show difference on same ratios, but they do - which shows we don't understand what creates the high.

So yeah, you could say I don't know what I'm talking about as none of us do, but I've been growing and studying them for over a decade and stay up to date with all research that is ongoing. Currently some great teams working from US and Austria, worth keeping track if you're genuinely want to learn.

Nice 'jackass' comment, but you've got a lot of learning it seems. Hope you go and do it though, shrooms deserve bright guys studying them, what we need is more serious people and fewer guys with a glove box and a few successful bulk trays claiming expertise though.

Hope it helps if you were genuinely looking to expand your knowledge.

 

will add more as and when I get time. PM me for more detailed info on ongoing studies, some can't be discussed publicly from fear of scooping but there's a lot going on:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9491968

if you don't have the subscriptions to anything I post you can mail me and I'll send you a raw tex or pdf if you can't use tex. Some I'll need to compile though and cut out sections.

edit, those are liberties, other studies suggest the extra alks add to the effect as a stim, liberty caps are very dependant on conditions for what they produce but can't be grown easily in a lab as the myc requires a symbiotic relationship with grass roots. It's possible, but not like sticking up a flour jar or LC to grain. Lots of the more interesting species are difficult for similar reasons.

 

My knowledge was just expanded. And yes, I find indoor shrooms to be much better.

 

hercynine and true ethanamine showing in a study here from one flush of a cube but not the next, just checking the substrate breakdown.

Are you actually interested in this for me to keep on posting up active alkaloids found? If so I don't mind helping but don't have time to waste.

As said, there's loads, you might be better off reading up on it properly yourself, can then take the time to do the background reading to understand the bits you're interested in, it's not something that can't be explained easily in a post or two unless you have the right background education.