Prove to me the existence of God is a lie!!!

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by Portalguy, Aug 25, 2006.

  1. Portalguy

    Portalguy Member

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    You atheists with your atheism! Doin' nonChristian stuff and stuff. Poking fun at us defenseless Christians doing Christian stuff and stuff. Prove to me that there's no God! PROVE IT!

    That was fun! I see why y'all do it to us now! ;)
     
  2. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    there are no absolute and final proofs nor disproofs of the possible existence of anything.

    there is however an extreme improbability of what is not known bearing any particularly close resemblence to what is speculatively assumed about it, however many may share that speculation or how anciently it may have been written in blood or carved in stone.

    it is my personal belief, based upon my own gut and personal experience, that there are indeed nontangable forces and beings and that these are nearly all by and large, good friends to have.

    it is also my personal belief however, that no belief is of greater bennifit then an objective and factual understanding of the connection between priorities and probabilities and of the desirability of the avoidance of causing suffering and harm.

    and that of the two, it is the latter which is of greater and more direct pertenance to what we experience of our objective and external surroundings, while the former may well exert a greater influence on our internal well being and self perceptions.

    one may well stumble through life on the die rolls of arbitrary assumptions. some of us however, may feel a bit more secure persuing some objective understanding of our surroundings on their own merrit.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  3. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    you vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

    You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

    Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

    just thought id point out some of the more subtle hypocritical points.

    now dont get me wrong.....christianity might be correct.....

    but then agin theirs just as much credibility in me saying a purple bannana shit out the univurse we live in

    i mean hell....even the cathlics might be wright....(JOKE)
     
  4. vactom

    vactom Fire on the Mountain

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    one question... how did god create himself? there is no-one thing that is capable of creating itself, takes so form of matter, to create another. you cant create a person out of thin air. and also like heeh2 said, there are hundreds if not thousands of "gods" now you cant believe that there is a god for water, eh? if there were, then what is the point of oceanography, or tides by the moon? it just seems to me to be a load of junk, just sounds like someone felt like being an infamous, anonymous, author. and as long as one person doesn't tell, then hey, who will find out?
     
  5. JLPMGHRS

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    the God of the Bible did not create himself. He is eternal, infinite and unchanging. The uncaused First Cause.

    Psalm 90:2
    "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."
     
  6. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    according to the bible.....

    ....any idiot can speculate on the ins and outs of any religion and find a problem....

    theirs a reason metaphysics is regarded as empty talk.....




    if their is a god.....i hope he lets the agnostics into heaven 8P
     
  7. Portalguy

    Portalguy Member

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    LOL Okay, somebody don't know when I'm josslin' them. So, let me handle the points on the matter.

    1. I don't do hardly anything vigorously. Do I believe my religion is correct? Sure. Do I respect people who think that they have the correct religion? Sure. I'm not outraged that you don't believe in God. Do I wish you would? Sure. Do I respect you even though you don't? Sure. Was I bored and decided to poke at the atheists? Sure.

    2. Most Muslims are good people. I don't think you can come out and blame "Allah" for what some fanatical people do in their religion. Although I'm personally against ALL terrorist attacks. I do see a right for people to defend themselves. Sometimes what's labeled terrorism is self defense.

    3.A purple banana huh? Maybe you should write a book about that and see how it sells. My people wrote the Bible and it's done pretty well! IN YOUR FACE CAPTAIN NO GOD! ;)
     
  8. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    Portal guy

    Are u simple?

    The existance or non existance of a god has
    NOTHING to do with christianity.
    Nor does athiesm

    U think CHRISTIANS coined the word 'god'
    U think athiest only deny the 'christian god' LOL

    wake up

    Occam
     
  9. JLPMGHRS

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    how do you figure?
     
  10. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    r u simple a well?

    occam
     
  11. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    The concept of god presented by religion and rejected by athiests ...is a false premis.
     
  12. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    Athiests do not logically refute god... it is not possible...they refute the
    idea of god presented by religion.
    And they are justified in doing so.. Religion forwards an extremely weak idea
    of a god. illogical and riddled with contradiction.
    While an unbiased informed view of reality provides far more solid indicative
    evidence for a 'direction be hind reality' than religion could ever imagine.

    Occam
     
  13. JLPMGHRS

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    maybe...but how do you measure the concept of God presented by religion(let's say the God of the Bible specifically) as false. by what means?
     
  14. JLPMGHRS

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    how can you say the existence of God has nothing to do with Christianity. For Christianity to exist, existence of God is necessary.
     
  15. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    maybe...but how do you measure the concept of God presented by religion(let's say the God of the Bible specifically) as false. by what means?

    JLPMGHRS

    So this is what the LORD Almighty says about them: "I will punish them! Their young men will die in battle, and their little boys and girls will starve. Not one of these plotters from Anathoth will survive, for I will bring disaster upon them when their time of punishment comes." (Jeremiah 11:22-23 NLT)

    Do u want more?
    This is just a mild taste of the horror that is the bible

    AS Balian said...if god cannot understand [reason] he is not god.

    Occam
     
  16. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    RUBBISH
    for the christian god to exist ...christianity is necessary
     
  17. JLPMGHRS

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    so you think it would be morally wrong for the real God to do this and therefore the God of the Bible is not the real God?
     
  18. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    do u think it the morally correct path?
    Should children starve?

    If an 'interventionist god' lets children starve..it is not god.

    Occam
     
  19. JLPMGHRS

    JLPMGHRS Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    I would hate to see a child starve. And I understand the way you are looking at this. But the question that needs to be asked is: Can God legitimately judge and destroy the world or any portion of its inhabitants that He sees fit to destroy? I think when all things are considered the answer is yes.

    It is not evil for God to take life, because God is the Author of life. He can give it and take it away. This is His creation. It would be wrong for me to murder someone. I'm not God. It's God's prerogative how long someone lives. After all, he gave them their life in the first place.

    At some time, all of us will die and return to Him, some to judgement and some to reward. He calls every life back to Him at some point. The time and method of the individual's demise is up to Him. It could be by disease, the sword of soldier, a flood(which he caused in Genesis in which nobody on earth was spared except Noah and his family), or whatever method He chooses.

    He destroyed Sodom and Gommora in which everyone was killed except for Lot and his family. There was also the plagues of Egypt. He will also judge everyone at the last judgement. That includes men, women and children.

    God also gives people a chance to repent. He is merciful. He told Abraham that he would spare a whole city for the sake of just a handful or righteous men when they were discussing Sodom and Gommora. There was an ongoing rejection of God going on in these cities.
     
  20. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    JLPMGHRS

    Real sorry... your original question is valid. No such thing can be shown as a lie.

    But 'god' is not copyrighted by christianity. Christianity stole the idea.
    And christianity can up with a multitude of idiotic ideas about what god MAY BE

    Cause humans have no other ideas than what MAY BE.

    Religious 'MAY BE's' are a real laugh.. Especially any shite from a book.

    occam
     

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