Sometimes you have to be prepared to go to war to ensure war does not happen. Remember the cold war for example. Not a shot was fired during the 45 years of the cold war because we successfully countered the Soviet threat by keeping our armed forces strong and ready for action. We formed an alliance with other western nations called NATO which declared that an attack on one member would be met by a response from all member states. That caused the Soviets to leave us alone. Ever heard the saying "If you want peace prepare for war". That is because wars are started by bullies and aggressors. But like all bullies they are cowards, they will only pick on countries which can't defend themselves. The 1990 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq being a classic example. A well armed and defended country is the best way to deter potential aggressors. http://www.protestwarrior.com
I was talking about war in general. Not talking about the good countries like Europe and the USA, but also about bad countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and Congo.
BAD COUNTRIES!!!! GOOD COUNTRIES!!!! What the FUCK are you talking about!!! That really is the WORST racist thing i ve ever heard! I hope you do realize it is racist... Do you? Oh yeah, by the way... I noticed when you mentioned the occidental world, you said EUROPE and USA. Most people often forget there is a LITTLE 30 million people up here in Canada (No, we are NOT an american state if you want to know the sad truth). But that's just a detail... Good countries? Bad countries?
i don't fully have opinions on war but i do not believe it is right certain times it can be but fighting for reasons such as oil(iraq war) is lame. iraq never threatened america or attacked them but somehow bush found a reason to attack him
So if you lived under an evil dictator and worried everyday that you or your family may be one of thousands of people killed by said evil dictator, you would still be mad at W? Besides, even the all-knowing Kerry has said that Saddam was evil and had WMD and should be taken out of power... of course, his story has changed about a dozen times since then. We are there for oil? Oh please. If oil is his main interest, wouldn't it be easier to tell the tree huggers to screw off and just drill in Alaska rather than to fight a war against an entire country? You wanna know what's really lame? I consider it lame that one's religion requires them to kill me!
Meet the new boss just like the old boss. There is no such thing as liberators, only the people can take, it never be givien. If Iraqis couldn't unite to overthrow Saddam they didn't want their liberty enough and don't give me Saddam was too strong cause look how good they are at revolting aginst Americans, all they had to do is what they are doing now. Thats is only a reserve of 3 bllion barrels and the US uses over 20 million barrels a day and growing. Simply Iraq has more oil. It is lamer that the owning class get richers for just sitting on their ass while those making that wealth gets poorer.
Interesting. Do you have a link to any factual daty to prove this? Iraq does not have more oil, nor do they produce more oil either. Here is a link to a page with data current to within a year and half http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html Scroll down to the chart of "20 largest oil producers". In 1999 Iraq ranked 10th on the list in production, and by 2004 fell to 18th on the list. The US has remained 3rd in rank for both years. Then scroll down to the world map. Gas prices were cheap while Klinton was in office, and we received no oil at all from Iraq during those years, so how is the war responsible for higher gas prices when we actually receive more oil from Iraq now than before? In the year 2000, Iraq was responsible for only 5.4% of our imported oil, and only 3.9% in 2002. I guess you people are right, Bush is stupid if he is there "only for oil" since we actually get very little oil from Iraq. I think he is there for other reasons. Is that worse than being killed by someone's religious beleif? .
I was talking about oil reserves not oil production and you have to think about down the road when demand is larger yet current production peaks out and can't provide any signifigant increases. They only kill you once, owning class fucks you over your whole life.
oh yeah, well my hateful opinion is meaner than your hateful opinion, and i think you're stupid for wanting peace, cause nothing gets accomplished if we dont murder, and i think you're stupid for wanting war, because nothing should ever come down to killing... listen, truth be told, its ugly but true.... we went there to "LIBERATE" them, or rather "CAPITALIZE" them, in order for us (the USA) to survive comfortably we need to guarantee that new emerging markets conform to our brand of capitalism, hence all the trade as of late with china and india, and the war in iraq. the leaders of this country, wrong or right, are not dumb, and they saw an oppertunity to set a stronghold, longterm on our way of life, and did it. Did we have to go there to 'free' the iraqi people? are they better off now than they were then? who knows really and who cares. fact is, we're there, fact is, it was done so little shits like everyone who looks at this website and others can have the free wasteful time to do so... is that right? probably not, man was not created to sit on his ass typing.. but hell, i do it too... and as far as that religious belief of killing, mister conservative, think about next sunday when you walk into your blasphemous church, think about how many souls have died in the name of Christ, and not in the martyr sense that the bible would have us think, but those millions who died because they were not... think before you talk.... fuck all this shit, peace is good war is bad internet junkies are wastes of human space and a soul peace sean
Close to all revolutions happen in such conditions and If Iraqis put the same level violence they currently are inflicting on US and UK troops aginst Saddam they would easily overthrew him. Also the Americans are torturing and killing Iraqis in far greater number then Saddam, yet they are not afraid to rebel aginst US troops.
That is fucking propaganda, sure at first it probably most was Hussein's people but now the attacks are over innocent blood Americans and British spilled in the war plus being tortured, looted, humiliated and occupied, along with some radical fundamentalist with their own agendas.
I don't go to church. I don't even beleive in religion of any kind. There hasn't been many conflicts over land ownership lately, but many because of religion. Without religion, the world would be a better place.
It was not about oil. If America merely wanted to get its hands on Iraqi oil then a deal could easily have been struck. All it would have taken would have been to drop the sanctions. What about invading Kuwait, massacring the Kurds, massacering 300,000 people after the failed uprising against Saddam in 1991 and firing missiles at neutral Israel during Gulf War One. Do they not count as valid reasons?
Then what is this about, democracy? America is the SAME fucking goverment that funded and orginized a millitary coup aginst the democratically elected Chavez and praised when military dictators removed all democratic insitutions and burtially oppressed the Venezuelan people (thankfully the Venezuelan people fought back for their freedom). Why the fuck would the American goverment give a shit about if Iraqis are free or not when they don't give a shit if even Americas are free, America has the highest prision population (yes the US is higher then China), the highest level of racial and class segregation.
You can't be free if your in prison, also not all are criminals, victims of the system are also behind bars. It is inequality to the point freedom is compermised, a Native American is less free then a White American because of race. The son from a rich family has more freedom then the son from a working class family because of class. A American male has more freedom then a American female (of the same class and race) because of sex. Freedom can't exist while there is inequality and American society is built on inequality.
probably off topic but are there any rallies in the NC area any time soon? I wouldn't mind meeting a few hippies from area
