Pornographer sentenced to nearly four years in prison

Sure. So sexual exploitation is just a figment of our imaginations now. That's why women are almost exclusively in the industry, right? Because there is no exploitation going on. No children are being exploited, yep.

 

Who do you think are sexing up the women? Phantom penises?

Never said anyone wasn't being exploited. I just don't think the women from those videos were exactly exploited.

I was saying how this is a complex issue, and wacki presented us with a good video. I think we should both watch it.



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This 'creep' did everything that the law required of him. They should have just given him a warning to tone it down, or else face consequences. Instead, they just send him to court, force jurors to watch 8 freakin' hours of video tape, and sentenced him to three years in jail.

 

Jail is maybe a little harsh, but the fines are pretty good.

What charge was the jail sentence for anyway?

 

the sale of "obscene" material or something along those lines.

 

Oh, okay. Then I'm cool with jail time.

 

Well I think you're a bit incorrect there, on everything you said, but it's your opinion so....

EDIT: Actually, I was being nice, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

I think it's funny at what a controversy this is.
There is no consensus,
either you want the guy locked up, or you don't give a shit.

 

That's not true. There are a many female owned or co-owned companies that produce adult content films (soft & hardcore). So-called ethically produced adult films are not exclusive to them though, depends on the individual company.

I'm not sure what you mean by sexual exploitation. Do you mean as a genre, being exploitative, subjectively or specifically to the performers? As far as women being exclusively in the industry, maybe if you are only talking about lesbian porn, which is a niche market, would their be only women. How would you explain gay-porn? Mainstream is still hetero, which by definition takes a man and a woman. Actually, the adult film industry, is one of the only industries where women make a lot money then men for the same work.

 

I don't see anything in your post to indicate you have proven I have "lied." "Many" is not most. Porn is a $10 B industry. Show me that men aren't making the vast majority of this money and I will say thank you for educating me.

As for exploitation in general, it pays to stop trying to intellectualize this. Imagine you have a daughter, she is 18, and she says "I'm thinking of going in the porn business. Do you think this is a wise career choice?"

 

"virtually the entire porn industry is male-owned", anyone can do a search on the net and find out that isn't true. The majority is male-owned but that isn't different then just about any other industry. Wether it is it a wise career choice entire depends on the person.

 

I am very willing to change my statement concerning ownership if it isn't true. I fully admit my statement was based on how things were, but if that has changed, post a link, and as I said, I'll say ty.

I don't think I'll be changing my opinion on this though: giving an 18 year old woman the advice that porn is a wise career choice depending on the person is not exactly a shining example of passing wisdom from one generation to another.

You wouldn't mention any of the downside of a career in porn? After all, a career in porn can land you in prison, as this thread shows. That seems worth telling the 18 year old. Or how about how she can forget about switching careers in the future. Or adopting children. Or a whole host of other lovely downsides. Me, I wouldn't bullshit her with "well it depends on the person" I'd say "No it is not a wise career choice" and sleep well at night.

 

Anybody watch the Frontline program?

 

If you do a lot of research on the internet you will find that the supreme court has ruled certain porn laws unconstitutional. The Child online protection act is one of them (COLPA). Child Pornography itself is still illegal and should be, but there are things in this law that gives further protection that were to over broad infringing on adult rights.
Pornographers and other groups are constantly fighting the system defending there rights and have won many going through the courts including the supreme court. Right now in the state of Michigan and a couple of others the 2257 law is unconstitutional. The first amendment gives us freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, The freedom of the press this includes printing. The supreme gives adults the right to view adult pornography in the privacy of there own homes. We will not always agree with some things, but we have to be willing to have tolerance if we are to continue living in a free society. Now Scat I don't know about, that may be a whole other story, this is where Max Hardcore ran into his problem, because it was pretty gross stuff not regular hardcore porn. The stuff like Hustler and others like them are totally legal in most parts of the united states. Even if they ever made porn itself illegal in the us Pornographers would probably just move there business to other countries and sell by secure downloads, I don't see a full out ban on Porn happening though. It's been around basically since time began. Weather you are for porn or against it I respect all your opinions.

Everybody here about the political porn video coming from Hustler called Nailin Paylin, For more info google it.

 

They are adults, they have a choice, they choose to have sex, sometimes very bizzare and disgusting sex, on camera for their income, made by consenting adults for adults, not my business and not yours. Like the article states no one was charged with prositution or abuse or rape, the man was sentenced for being "indecent", aka the area he lived in thought what he did was gross or weird, not harmful in any tangible sense of the word, but for being distasteful and for that he loses his freedom. I hate fascists, and if throwing a man in prison for no other reason than because you find his morals to be lacking in your judgement isn't fascist, then i don't know what is.

 

Maybe they should be slapped with prostitution charges and rape.

Sounds to me like this dude got off easy.

 

Man...just because you're not kinky and don't dig graphic pornography does NOT mean this guy should be in Jail.

People are a lot freakier than you think. I personally am not into this kind of shit, but I know more than a few people who are.

If you have a problem with these kinds of things, stay away from them.
There are people who enjoy it!

 

Every adult has the right to choose, if you don't like it you don't have to look at it or get involved in any way, if you like this kind of stuff, view it and get involved in privacy. This way nobody looses there freedom of choice. Nobody is going to tell me how to live my fucking life, I'm not into the stuff that Max Hardcore does, but i believe every adult has the free right to choose, even people in the minority. People as a whole, not just a certain group have freedom of choice, Nobody is going to dictate to me what I'm going to do. This isnt about sex or porn to these nut jobs out there it's about controlling other peoples lives. You see they simply can't stand it unless they have control over you, I just:smilielol5:at these people. :sifone:

 

Predictably, I am in the free speech club on this one.

The question is not whether something is obscene. The question is "who decides"?

Most guys would love to have a girl swallow them all the way. You know, you might get vomited upon if you do that. Some guys like to get their ass kicked. Are they allowed to watch footage of someone else getting their ass kicked and fantasize about it?

I say, if we want to set "community standards", do it by using google. Log what local ip addresses are looking at all day, and if the community is obviously holding a certain standard at home they have no right to go to court and claim otherwise.

What do you anti-speech folks look at when you have a stiffy? hmmm? I bet it doesn't jive with what you will admit to in public.

 

"What do you anti-speech folks look at when you have a stiffy? hmmm? I bet it doesn't jive with what you will admit to in public"

Good point here maryjohn, A+

 

The idea of using a company to spy on citizens to determine community standards scares the crap out of me. No. Here is a wild idea. You live in a COMMUNITY. The COMMUNITY has a LAW on the books you DISAGREE with. You talk with your NEIGHBORS and craft a different LAW and the community DEBATES the issue and then VOTES on it. What a radical idea.

My view on this has nothing to do about sex. It has to do with a community being able to have a say in what is and is not sold. Not the federal government, not even the state government. I want these decisions made at the local level, so I can walk in, vote, and have a more direct say in what is sold in my community.

And so people don’t think I am trying to be a fascist, I think its bullshit that my town can’t have a straight yes or no vote to allow people to grow pot for their own consumption. But that isn’t possible is it? Why? Because that right has been taken from the local level and given to the federal level.

Do I think people should be allowed to DO all the things you can see on a porn movie. Of course I do. Do I think a company has the right to SELL that product anywhere they want? No. I think it is up to the local community. If you think YOUR community should not have an obscenity law at all, stand up, gather like minded neighbors and change the law.

What everyone seems to be shocked about is that porn is still a local issue. Seems to me everyone is amazed that a local community still has the right to decide anything. The very concept of how democracy should work is being ridiculed here. Think about it.