Politics, spirituality, physics, and psychology

I brought this idea up on another thread but that thread has gotten pretty cluttered up with nonsense so I thought I'd start one here about this subject. I'd like to hear other's thoughts.

I'll try to be as clear as humanly possible, because this is kind of a difficult concept to take hold of.

I believe that the very reason that when things of a political/governmental nature (or anything else under the sun for that matter) do not work well, it's because people do not tend to think of politics in the same category with the others. Most people find politics to be a thing separate altogether. I find that in order for any system to work well, you cannot leave out the rest, any more than you could expect the human body to work well without it's brain, heart, and circulatory system. I believe these things are woven together much like a Celtic knot and should not/cannot be separated. It is unnatural to do so. To be clear, I am NOT speaking about Spirituality in terms of religion! Religion is only one possible symptom of spirit out of many possibilities. When I say physics I speak of the energies that are already proven to exist, and the effect of those energies, including thought energies, on the physical world. And of course understanding the psychological mechanisms behind human interaction. I am quite certain that trying to separate these things from one another is the largest cause of problems in the human realms, in which political action plays a very large part.

What do you think?

 

Thought energys are proven to exist? In the realm of the physical sciences I don't think so.

 

http://www.knowledgeoftoday.org/2012/03/thought-definition-life-energy-power.html

http://www.social-consciousness.com/2010/06/dr-bruce-lipton-biology-of-perception.html

http://www.jdmessinger.com/article/power-thought-and-field-energy

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/01...tions-can-alter-physical-world-around-us.html

http://johnassaraf.com/law-of-attraction/why-you-should-be-aware-of-quantum-physics-2

http://www.encognitive.com/node/7302

That should be enough.

 

Why don't you post some actual scientific studies instead of new age hokum?

 

Because in my experience it is not "hokum". It's just easy to understand reading which states what I am talking about. As I said, everything is related. Physics is so closely related to spirituality as to make them rather inseparable.. I do not require scientific gobble-di-gook to understand the principal. I've seen it in action.

here's a list? http://www.collective-evolution.com...usness-can-alter-our-physical-material-world/

 

Thats called confirmation bias dood.

Wiki;

"Scientific methodology directs that hypotheses be tested in controlled conditions which can be reproduced by others. The scientific community's pursuit of experimental control and reproducibility diminishes the effects of cognitive biases.

For example, pre-existing beliefs can alter the interpretation of results, as in confirmation bias; this is a heuristic that leads a person with a particular belief to see things as reinforcing their belief, even if another observer might disagree (in other words, people tend to observe what they expect to observe). (bold added, GS)


A historical example is the conjecture that the legs of a galloping horse are splayed at the point when none of the horse's legs touches the ground, to the point of this image being included in paintings by its supporters. However, the first stop-action pictures of a horse's gallop by Eadweard Muybridge showed this to be false, and that the legs are instead gathered together"

 

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I’ve often talked about this in relation to issues within politics and have argued that often what is needed is a holistic approach.

But then your post began to lose me I mean what do you mean by –

What spiritual symptoms are you talking about?

What are thought energies? I mean the stuff you link to seem to be pseudo-scientific hokum.

As I’ve pointed out to you already political advertisers and lobbyists already use psychological techniques to push their agendas I’m all in favour of making people aware of these techniques so they can see the manipulation but personally I’m not in favour of psychological trickery so can you please explain your thinking here?

 

Gongs

But what if they refuse to believe the first stop-action pictures?

The problem is that sometimes a person’s ‘bias’’ can be greater than evidence, and so we get people like Creationists who dismiss the findings of astronomy, geology and biology etc in favour of their own particular bias. People can believe in a lot of hokum if their belief is strong enough.

 

I think you can only be as clear as your thinking is. If you understand something sufficiently then your explanations will be succinct. If you are stuttering or trying to come up with a phrase then you haven't completed your thought process on the subject. I never worry whether people will understand me, I don't need to worry about their capacities because we share our thoughts but am glad when they ask questions if they don't understand. I do take care to keep my explanations direct and on task, that is not too many emotionally charged adjectives and taking into account everything said.

I think as you correctly surmise that the reason things don't work in mans relations with men lies with the quality of thought. Forget classifying into branches of science because each one on it's own reflects the same thing in a specialized vernacular. Look at the propositions of thought themselves.

The sponsoring thought for intractable conflict in the political arena is the other is not on my side. Our protections extend naturally to those things we call our own. For example it is very important to communicate with those we love but more important to us to tell an adversary what is so.

 

I can't seem to find it right now, but there are several recent studys that have shown that many people with with firm beliefs, when prestented with even irrefutable facts to the contrary actual caused them to be become more ensconced in their personal bias. The effect is particularly apparent when it comes to religion, politics and science.

 

I must say you are damn good at it too. :cheers2:

Must be those beta-blockers... lol kidding

 

That's something I have noticed myself, un-scientific as that may be.
As we've got more and more advanced scientifically and technologically, so it seems religious fundamentalists have become more strident and fanatical. At least, I think there's an element of that in the historical process.

To get back to the OP - The reason things are broken down into different categories of knowledge such as science, politics, psychology (arguably already a branch of science) is so that they can be studied minutely. If you want to study physical properties of matter you need a separate science of physics. Things have to be broken down into small pieces in order to study them. The search for sub atomic particles hasn't really got much to do with politics, other than that it may be funded partly by government grants.

Obviously all these things play together in the world we inhabit. Politicians use psychology as pointed out by an earlier post. They use religion too. Not so often science if it doesn't concur with their political/economic agendas. Hence we have politicians who deny all the evidence for climate change.

But really I can't see where you're trying to go with this.

 

I remember hearing about a study (don't have info on it...heard about it in a class a bit over a year ago and don't remember all the details) that showed that is exactly true. The more evidence someone is given against what they believe in those areas particularly the more strong they end up being in their beliefs.

 

True, and especially if there is an income stream connected with said belief.