please compare 2CE and 2CP

i've had 2ce about 18 times, doses ranging from 12 - ~20 mg. i really like it, except for the gut rot and headache it usually gives me on the comedown.

please compare/contrast any and all effects of 2ce and 2cp.

an approximation of equivalent doses in terms of intensity would also be cool. for example, 15 mg 2ce is comparable to X mg 2cp.

any information would be appreciated.

i have 25 mg. how would you split up the doses? i was thinking 6, 8, then 10 or 11 mg. but then i was thinking 8 mg, 11 mg, then maybe 6 mg to combine with some 2ce or LSD one day?

 

no teeth clenching or head for me on many many doses. come down is as nice as it gets. i've been able to go to sleep when i'm about on the ground again. 2ce was real nice on come ups for me, but come down kinda sucked. my normal dose of 2cp was around 12mg. and average 2ce was 20mg snorted. i like to snort 2ce nasal,but 2cp burns to much for me.the actual trip was more intence with 2cp. I really like this chem. 2ce seems much more mellow to me now if i want a chem to go somewhere on and still have a nice trip. buy both.hahaha

 

well, i HAVE both.
so you say 12 mg 2cp orally is more intense than 20 mg 2ce snorted?

 

2ce gave me sever muscle tension in my back and neck, legs too. Bad tremors at 50mg and worse muscle tension, crmaping of my feet. GI problems, upset stomach. I really didn't like it too much. I did ~15mg and ~50mg.\

2cp had no body load except for mild muscle tension in my neck. But I commonly have that problem.

8mg 2cp was kinda like 15mg 2ce. Both kinda mild, but very enjoyable and had visuals. I can''t comment too much on my higher 2ce dose. 12mg is the perfect 2cp dose imo. I would at least save for one 12mg dose.

I did really like the visuals on 2ce, they were like nothing I have experienced. And the same for 2cp, but I enjoyed 2cp wayy better with no body load. I feel that everything I look at on 2cp is fucking amazing art. I can stare at my pettie coat on the wall forever and want to frame it.

 

how many times have you done 2cp?

can you contrast the visuals between the two at all? or are they similar?

the visuals i've seen on 2ce are especially beautiful and intricate. closed eye especially, but this past weekend, on 19 mg, i got THE most intense OEVs of my life. my whole field of view looked like melting paint, but in a somewhat controllable way. if i looked at the scenery like a magic eye picture, the visuals would get crazy. and i could see a geometrical web overlaying and organizing everything. t'was absolutely amazing.

i'll probably start with 8 mg, b/c of pihkal's entry. my favorite dose of 2ce is smack in the middle of 10-25 mg, which Shulgin recommends. 2cp is 6-10 mg, so 8 should at least be a good starting point. if that turns out to be weak, i can jump to 12 then. but i have a feeling i might only jump to 10 or 11. i might just be a light weight

 

Well 8mg p and 15mg e my visuals were where everything in the room was morphing and moving.

12mg and 50mg I have full specrum view visuals and everything in between.

I love the 2cp peak, the visuals get pleasurably intense but overall everything is just simply beautiful. You see colors and objects and wish that you could replicate them in a painting to keep forever to have for rememberance of that trip.

You will enjoy 8mg and 11mg for sure.

 

To me, it sounds like 2ce is the way to go, due to the fact that we all know we can take insanely high doses without any dangerous effects. That's just me though. Different tokes for different folks, of course.

 

He's saying he has a sample of 2cp and wants to know the differences in doses to determine what he wants his first dose to be of 2cp...

 

Yeah I know. Just trying to decide if I wanna get 2cp next time or if I want to stay with the 2ce. Maybe both.

I'm looking forward to reading some TR's, porky. I wanna know how you would compare them. It is vital to my psychedelic destiny. lol

 

i will surely update when the time comes

not for while though

2cp's lack of "gut issues" sounds promising to me

but for now i'm on some 2ce
and vape bags to ward off the nausea

 

Awesome. How much did you dose?

 

roughly 16 mg orally

i had a 12 mg dose to which i added two SMALL bits
so surely 14-18 mg

i can already tell....it was enough

i'm about to go for a walk in my favorite park and watch the night begin
then come back here a grill some deer steaks in my lawn

PEACE

 

Hey hey have a good time. Don't puke steak lol it would be almost as bad as vaporizing semen.

 

send me 2 samples and ill get right on it..

 

^me too.

$123 for half a gram of 2c-p is way too much of a commitment for me.

 

worth every penny. the gram is only a few dollars more. I'm sure its same vendor at that price a half gram. The no body load makes it worth it. I liked 2ce just not the cramping or stomach crap. And I had jaw clinching before I went to sleep. visuals were great, but they are with 2cp to. Enjoy

 

For me, 2ce is a lot more visual at higher doses than 2cp. I've done 2ce a few times, ranging from 20 mg my first time up to 60 mg. I would dose higher if i could get more but it was discontinued at my supplier maybe ill try to find another one that has it. 60 mg 2ce gives insane visuals, everything in your vision strongly bending and morphing, and much more. Highest dose of 2cp i did was 32 mg my third time, up from 16 and then 26. Even at 32 mg 2cp seemed pretty mellow to me, the visuals werent super strong but stuff is definitely bending and morphing, and close eye visuals were really cool. Lots of geometric patterns spinning and really trippy images. I was feelin it for 20 hours after i ate it. I would dose higher but i want to do some more research about what levels are safe. I read from one person that above 35 mg you can have some problems but i saw no justification for this and this was only one random person saying that. Anyone else know anything about high dose 2cp?

 

those are the highest doses of 2cp i've ever read about.
except maybe smitty25's girlfriend

 

Based on everything I've read, 2ce blows 2cp out of the water, with respective doses. The only appeal 2cp holds for me is the longer duration, and that is the ONLY reason I'm even considering trying it in the future. Nothing has ever compared to the 50-60mg doses of 2ce I have taken, including LSD or anything else.

 

Go somewhere and die.