Pleasantly surpassed expectations (HBWR Trip Report)

I am still tripping a bit as I write this however I feel I'm going to go ahead and write this trip report as I am. I came into this trip gathering as much info on HBWR seeds as I could, it's been awhile since I so extensively prepared for a trip in regards to reading all the available info out there but it's also been awhile since I have explored a new trip and some of the most recent ones I have explored have been Research Chemicals with not a ton of information on them to begin with.

The thing that concerned me going into the trip was the purported nausea so I got 2 Ginger Beers which I was hoping would help out. The previous evening I had crushed 8 HBWR seeds that I would be consuming and put them in a baggie, I've heard this was a good dose range and read one bit of info reporting that one seed is roughly equivalent to 25 ugs LSD. (I would find this not to hold true for me) Shortly after I got the ginger beers I emptied the baggie and ate the crushed seeds and chased it down with the ginger beer. I read ginger beer doesn't preemptively stop nausea so I waited about 10 minutes while I was walking to start drinking the ginger beer.

When I got near my house I started getting initial alerts, the slight breeze that was blowing felt good on my skin and I felt a slight lucid change in thought patterns. When I went inside it was about 45 minutes after dosing and I hadn't really felt but the slightest hint of nausea, so I thought the Ginger Beer must be working really well or HBWR doesn't cause much nausea for me, probably a bit of both. I put on some music at about the 1 hour mark, there was some pleasant music enhancement throughout this whole experience and early on it wasn't intensely driving the trip or anything but everything just sounded really quality. I was not getting very many visual effects early on except for a brief moment I stepped outside. When I stepped outside I looked at a tree covered in green leaves and for a few moments it seemed to not look like a tree but a collage of greenish and brownish autumn leaves suspended in the air, all bunched together, if I could draw the image I saw precisely saw it would make a cool picture. There were also these little orangeish berries that took on like frog looking characteristics. I went back inside and pretty much all these hallucinogenic aspects ceased, I still felt a fair amount of tactile sensations and I had a lucid, stimulating headspace. I took a shower and the tactile sensations of water was amazing and I felt really refreshed coming out of the shower. I did start noticing vasoconstriction around this point, like my muscles would lock up for a coupld seconds and then release, I actually found this aspect more worrysome than the nausea. The trip continued to slowly develop which was around 3 hours at this point, the trip lacked the electricity of my experiences with LSD, I have never taken one tab of LSD but I thought if comparisons could be made this was probably like a single tab of LSD. (Overall the trip felt equivalent to ~100 ugs so probably closer to 2 hits but due to the slow unfolding and absent of visuals at the time, that thought came to mind) I also read comparisons to MDMA in some reports but eventhough I find the trip tactile to a degree I'm not drawing many parallels with MDMA.

I decided to play some guitar for a bit and really enjoyed that. I felt I played fairly precise and well and really got into it. Afterwards when I turned the music off and put the guitar away, I had several moments where I was confused or ancy, like I couldn't do one activity for too long and then when I felt like I wanted to do something else, I would forget what it was that I wanted to do. This aspect was interesting to me as some of the reports I read made it sound like all you wanted to do on LSA was lay down, I felt contrary I had quite a bit of energy.

Eventually I decided to go back outside and as soon I stepped outside the visuals picked up again. The visual aspect didn't come on overpowering but I noticed alot of the leaves took on cool patterning and the autumn colors stood out. I felt slightly more hazy compared to LSD on HBWR, definitely lucid enough to walk around and feel comfortable but slightly lost in my thoughts without anything really sticking too much, I found this aspect to perhaps slightly detract from a sense of profundity, however it didn't seem as gruelingly analytical as LSD can be and there was much appreciation for nature on this trip. I walked to a park, taking moments to rest when I felt my muscles lock up and I enjoyed the park, put my headphones on and finally started getting some CEV's. The CEV's were way different than LSD, more sparse but really cool shapes and images, I saw what looked like a phoenix or some fire bird flapping it's wings with eyes shut and it felt like It would propelled and explode into some radical geometric shapes and patterns. The music was driving the visuals more at this point and when I would open my eyes trees looked cutout from the background of the sky it was a pretty cool effect.

I came into the library where I reside right now feeling slightly fatigued and about to go back out and enjoy the remaining parts of my trip. Overall a good experience, nothing radically mind blowing or profound but very much reinforncing of a lot of quality aspects of the psychedelic experience.

 

it's cool to read a TR on LSA from someone who i've read other trip reports from

 

Its true it makes you tired. but should that subside, it will pack some energy. nice report..

 

I decided to watch a football game which I think being inside again detracted from some of the remaining effects as I definitely felt I was still affected for the majority of the game and after the game, I normally don't watch tv while tripping but I felt on the downward swing of it. I felt it pretty strong in my lower back not unlike acid, so I got a couple beers to help out with that after the game. Felt like I was investing as much physically as a strong acid trip for not as much return however it still felt quality for the most part, definitely something I plan to explore again.

I'd like to explore a higher dose in terms of effects but I'd hope the side effects don't increase with dose.

 

I'm thinking that because of the vasoconstriction, LSA/HBWR would be contraindicated for older people and people otherwise at risk for heart disease. Good TR. Glad I stopped by this branch, which I seldom do.

 

and when it's broken up into logical paragraphs and uses language and metaphor effectively to convey the feeling of the experience.
Good report GB.:2thumbsup:

I would be concerned about the toxicity at higher doses.
What did your research turn up regarding a safe high end dose?

 

I'll adress your question as well as give some other info that I found may be important if someone wanted to explore HBWR.


There are a few different strains of HBWR. The general consensus seems to be that the Hawaiian strain is the most potent, which is the strain I explored. other strains are like India strain, Ghana strain, and maybe one other.

So with some of these weaker strains there are reports of people consuming 20+ seeds. Erowid lists a high dose of 12+ seeds. I read one and only one trip report where the vasoconstriction sounded dangerous and I read in very extreme cases vasoconstriction can lead to serious problems so I agree with ThisMoment that probably not all should explore these seeds, however significant nausea and vomiting seem to be much more prevalent in the reports i sifted through. Due to the variety of strains its difficult to give a precise dangerous dose. I felt trip wise I want to double the dose next time but not if the side effects double as well.

I read also that often Hbwr seeds usually come with some fuzzy stuff attached to the shell which is supposed to be a big cause for nausea, the seeds I had didn't appear to have this stuff on it so that was good.

 

Does sound like a pleasant experience.
The lucidity of it sounds enjoyable, but it's a shame it didn't break through for you. I've certainly experienced mild to wild when it comes to these seeds.

It's funny really, when you said you lacked the "electricity" that you feel on acid. Last time, or at least a few times ago I remember listening to Talking Heads on HBWR and hearing the line "Electricity, that's what I call it" And I had to just keep questioning my self if David Byrne was referring to a drugged sensation, because it couldn't feel more accurate to how I felt

It's always hard to judge how strong someone else's trip was from just words, but even if you only hit a level of weed high this sounds like it would have been a fun experience, I'm a little jealous that you were able to walk around with such ease! I feel from your writing that this trip didn't produce much mental breakthrough or visual distortion as one would hope to achieve, but I can't quite tell. I've been lost in the pattern of wood, and have had pretty high acid like distortions, but not to a color changing degree.

As crazy as this sounds, I've always been curious to ask, did you experience feeling like a "flower" when you had those seeds. My tongue always starts to feel as if it fuzzes up and my body becomes tranquilized and I feel like a different type of organism. And it usually only lasts on the come-up and I don't know why. I know it sounds bizarre, but I'd like to know if you experienced anything similar.

Glad to see that you got to experience a new substance though! And I hope it's a memory that will echo well in years to come!

Peace and Love

 

I rarely smoke weed these days but I think it certainly could have boosted the intensity of the effects. I was surprised that I was able to walk around so easily as well, part of me was expecting to be curled over in some corner or over the toilet groaning in agony for the majority of the trip but at no point during this trip did I even consider that I may need to puke or feel significantly affected by nausea.

Some of the lack of profundity in regards to the trip may have been my mindset going in. The previous evening I had recorded and uploaded a song I was working on and pretty much the first few hours of this HBWR trip I dedicated to listening to my music, listening to other music, and playing music so my mind was primarily focused there and the sensory elements of the HBWR seemed to be highlighted for the majority of the trip compared to some of the cognitive aspects. I had several 'WOAH!' moments both when listening and playing music during the experience so there was a level of insight gained there. I got some pretty good visual distortion and color enhancement when I was outside as I touched upon in the report, I didn't get much of that when inside, although the edges and contours of various objects seemed more defined. Also I know you have mentioned how similar LSA and LSD can be and I agree there are many similarities, so when I got into the trip I felt a fair degree of familiarity. I think when I explore HBWR seeds again I may take a couple more and explore an overnight trip with more of a focus on inward journey. I certainly see the potential for HBWR to produce a powerfully transformative experience.

HAHA... Can't say that I felt like a "flower" on the trip, nor did I feel very tranquilized, I was bouncing around a bit. I felt very much in my body and surprisingly no sensations of feeling poisoned. The comeup was extremely smooth for me, the slight breeze felt like it caressed my skin in a very graceful manner. But as I've said I got into music fairly quickly after onset so I probably didn't explore some of the initial feelings and sensations as thoroughly as I could have.

I mentioned considering an overnight trip for my next exploration with HBWR which would be indoors. I felt aside from music, nature really drove the quality parts of this trip and so I am wondering in your experience do you feel HBWR has the potential to have the cognitive qualities primarily drive the trip?

 

Nice report!

I would advise you for next time to chew on the seeds. When I first tried them myself, I was told to chew on them for like 10-15 minutes, as this makes it far easier for the body to absorb the LSA contained in the seeds (I also heard saliva would "activate" it, though I doubt about that last information). Doing this, 8 seeds is usually way enough to trip balls for someone of average size.

I experimented with 7 seeds for the first time using that method and my experience was much more intense than yours, I had a lot of open and closed eyes visuals, feeling euphoric, cheerful and warm, my body was relaxed and I had this subtle sensual feeling, a bit like mescaline but lighter. I recommend you try again with 8 seeds but chew on them to see if it makes any difference.

 

are HBWR seeds reported to cause less nausea than morning glory seeds?

did you be sure to ingest "organic" seeds, to try and avoid eating pesticides?

 

I read several reports with variations of oral methods, I actually went in with the intent to chew them for a bit but the texture of the seed bits was disgusting so I just swallowed them with a chaser. As I mentioned in the report, I crushed them before I ingested them so I imagine they had the best potential to release the LSA as they are going to get. Perhaps holding them sublingual or absorbing them buccally could boost effects by bypassing First Metabolism but I don't think I could hold the seeds there for that long and I don't plan to do this stuff a ton anyways. I felt the method I explored gave me a good general gauge to adjust my dose accordingly.

Yes, I did ingest organic seeds.

 

It's not like chewing! There is more loss of substance, as the human body has difficulty to efficiently digest vegetables or any plant-based material. It's like when you eat, your body absorbs more of the nutrients contained in your food if you chew well.

Not sure about the nausea factor of the substance itself, but the fact you need far less HBWR seeds might help reduce the risk of puking (since they both taste like shit, think of a mix of vomit and battery acid, ewwww).

 

I've only had one experience with the heavenly blues pork, and I chewed them. That's a lot of seeds, so I felt very ill. With HBWR I felt fine the first time I tried them and didn't puke, but every time since then just seeing those seeds make me gag, and it's hard to keep them down no matter how I extract. Honestly I doubt there's much difference. The biggest factor is making sure they are as you said "organic". Always buy untreated, because treated seeds are suppose to make you sick to stay away from consumption.

Unfortunately it does seem that if you chew the seeds it produces the strongest effect.. and that is just not something I'd be able to do again.. until an extraction comes that's more efficient I think my experiences with these seeds are done. I think it is an interesting an experience. I still can't believe the potency of these little seeds! But the last few times I've tried them, I kept getting the thought in my head that the reason these seeds make you ill is because it's nature's way of telling an organism to stay away from the matter, as if it were a poison. Not that it's bad or unhealthy, but it will make you ill.

It still surprises me how wildly different people's results with these seeds are. They are on some terms unpredictable..: Will you trip? Will you puke? will you be energetic? I don't know how it has such a wide range of effects. I did too find that Ginger Beer helped me pass the stage of nausea and can't recommend that enough. It always takes about 30-ish minutes from first ingestion of the seeds to make me feel nauseous, and Ginger just sort of stopped it before it would have started.

 

chewing those seeds is very bad for your Modern teeth.. you'll wish you smashed them when a husk jammed in your gum line, giving you pain for week..

 

It's good that you enjoyed them.

Not to say that I didn't enjoy LSA (from MG seeds), and I have been planning to use them again, but.... you seem to have gotten more.

For me it was not an issue of wanting to lie down, but of being quite unable to do anything but to close my eyes.

Perhaps it has to do with morning glory seeds in particular.....

 

I think it, purportedly, has to do with the amount of seed ingested.

Morning glory seed extraction yields a large amount of mucous-like stuff that is almost caustic.... even when filtered reasonably well, the water retains that caustic flavor and feel, and throwing it up burnt my throat in a way that can't be wholly attributed to stomach acid.

Though, I think proper ololloqui require so small an amount as to only take one swallow of dry material.

 

awesome trip report GB! i've been looking more into HBWR seeds. my friend is buying a bunch of them, so i will most likely purchase a few.

would you suggest maybe trying more than 8? like 9-10?
i think i may crush them up first, then take them with a beverage like you did.

 

Thanks!

Yah 9-10 could be a good level, I definitely plan to dose slightly higher next time.

 

I think 10 seeds is a decent dose, but I would recommend you start with 8 for the first time to see what it's like. Some think 7-8 seeds is way enough, while some others prefer having more (I personally prefer a dose between 12 and 15 seeds).